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  •  Basques are not Celts. (5+ / 0-)

    Properly speaking, Celts are people who speak a Celtic language as their native tongue. It's usually extended to those whose ancestors spoke a Celtic language. Basques speak a non-IndoEuropean language which probably descends from languages spoken in Europe before speakers of any IndoEuropean languages arrived in Europe.

    Now, western Celtic groups like the Irish, Scots, and Welsh may have a great deal of common ancestry with the Basques. As the IndoEuropeans came into Europe and started splitting linguistically into proto-Celtic, Germanic, and Italic language groups, they intermarried with the people who were already there. Much of Western Celtic ancestry may come from Basques or their forgotten kin, even though the invading language groups prevailed in most of Europe. That does not make the Basques Celts.

    Oh, and there's no such thing as Celtic DNA. DNA doesn't speak any human language, and language and culture are not genetically determined.

    Cogito, ergo Democrata.

    by Ahianne on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 07:35:57 AM PDT

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    •  Agree, with the semantics and parsing (3+ / 0-)
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      Ojibwa, RiveroftheWest, Ahianne

      ... No argument with me there.  Apologies for getting so sloppy.

      This is more of what I am sharing:

      The evidence of a link is in a study by James Wilson and Prof David Goldstein of University College London, with colleagues at Oxford University and the University of California, Davis. The study is published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
      The team looked for similarities between the Y chromosomes – only carried by men – of 88 “Celtic fringe” individuals from Anglesey, North Wales, 146 from Ireland with Irish Gaelic surnames, and 150 Basques, revealing “remarkable’ similarities.
      The Celts carried the early Y chromosome, said the study, which provides the first clear evidence of a close relationship in the paternal heritage of Basque and Celtic speaking populations. “They were statistically indistinguishable’, said Prof Goldstein.
      Patrick Foundation

      Dienekes is sometimes interesting, maybe you already know that I suppose.

      That's an old study above.

      Matinez-Cruz, et al (Oxford Journals)

      Our results indicate that Basque-speaking populations fall within the genetic Western European gene pool and they are similar to geographically surrounding non-Basque populations,
      From Irish Times

      The Irish and Basques share by far the highest incidence of the R1b gene in Europe, which has a frequency of over 90% in Basque country and almost 100% along parts of Ireland's western seaboard.

      The Basque region seems to have a very high rate something like 95% of a certain genetic marker and in Ireland, Scotland and Wales it's around mid 70's and England around 60%.

      A good horse is never a bad color.

      by CcVenussPromise on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 01:29:41 PM PDT

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