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  •  Yep, I didn't see that... don't have TV by choice (1+ / 0-)
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    That's not something that seems right, and since when is Kerry a bit supporter of executive overreach, or is this just his way of trying to posture? That could be what it is.

    I double-dog dare Congress to vote for this. They'd be fools. They'll lose people like me if they do that -- good, otherwise solid Leftist voters who will hold my nose for most things; but I don't vote for military interventionists, hawks, or neocons and would sooner pull my own teeth out of my head. The moral evil involved in that is over my personal threshold, as someone who has been a pacifist essentially since I could formulate a political viewpoint. There are the most limited sorts of military actions that I can, or will, stomach, and that's that. This has yet to qualify from the reams of news that I'm reading.

    So again, they will very much lose interest in various constituents like me who feel passionately about human rights and who realize that large military strikes aren't historically much of a good solution and don't tend to bring about justice or peace, particularly, particularly when there's so much in the region that could be undermined by our activities. So NIMBY mentality is really quite a box people get into on this one that we need to get around in thinking through this thing.

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    by mahakali overdrive on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 12:56:46 PM PDT

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    •  The admimistration seems to be talking (3+ / 0-)

      out of both sides of its mouth. One the one hand Kerry is saying that they chose to got to congress but if congress won't stand with the president's decision, the they will attack Syria. Kerr is saying that is the president's right. I'm listening to him on [CNN's State of the Union and he is pushing this narrative really hard.


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      by TheMomCat on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 02:38:13 PM PDT

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      •  We shall see what the outcome is (0+ / 0-)

        I'm in a district where contacting my representative is not useful in that we don't, en masse, support this.

        The proof will be in what is decided. I will base my feelings and decisions not on preemptive narratives but on the actions taken. Same as always. There are sometimes trial balloons floated. This President was vocal about not supporting Iraq intervention and hasn't been as hawkish as some predecessors; that's how he earned my vote at all. If this moves into something untoward, I will not personally stand on the wrong side of justice since I'm not one of these people who look back and say, "Gosh, shouldn't have voted for Bush!" I've always been well on the Left, although I also never voted for Nader or anything because he simply struck me as farcical and transparent. It's going to be an interesting, difficult week.

        I hope it resolves without further conflict. My attitude has always been to support this particular administration (other than on some matters such as education, where I have serious qualms). However, that could change. Thus said, I really, really don't hope for it to. I really and truly don't. I already have a predilection for Progressives in Congress and don't tend to support Blue Dogs although that's my luxury in that I live in an incredibly Progressive district. If I didn't, well, that would be difficult, but coalitions must be built and ethical choices must be weighed. For me, this one is weighted, however, and is a definite -- and I think fair -- line in the sand; if Syria were attacking us or our strongest allies with immediate force, we would be in a position of self-defense. There is no evidence, however, that genocides are ended through military intervention. Sorry, but I have studied enough about African politics, specifically, to know this one ALL TOO WELL. The immediate crisis can be resolved at times (although this is never a certainty, and we are never sure what the casualties will be), but the aftermath is often quite brutal and just as unstable, with lose weapons floating around, displaced people, famine, all sorts of horrific aftermath that we then walk away from with our hands brushed. Moreover, other area forces can acquire power, and also, we wind up in bad standing which lets us help in the future yet lose. It's a very pointless kind of medicine.

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        by mahakali overdrive on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 05:06:54 PM PDT

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