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  •  NaF and KF (10+ / 0-)

    also have other applications of totally civilian nature (e. g. in our plant we use NaF).

    So thus selling this stuff doesnt consitute helping with nerve gas production supplies. It would have to be made plausibel in some or other way that that was actually what it was used for by the recipients in Syria.

    •  When a country is none to create (2+ / 0-)
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      YucatanMan, Senor Frog

      Chemical Weapons for military purposes it seem better to not sell them supplies that will help them build those weapons than to attack them after they've used them.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 12:01:56 PM PDT

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      •  the problem is though that most of the ingredients (2+ / 0-)
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        grover, kurt

        in nerve gas are plain ole ordinary common industrial chemicals, like isopropyl alcohol, sulfur, and flourides.

        It's simply impossible to stop any country anywhere from obtaining such common chemicals.

      •  I sent ads to Saddam Hussein once. (3+ / 0-)
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        AoT, grover, kurt

        Right before Desert Shield, no less. I was contracted by General Dynamics to do a calendar showing their troop carrier vehicles. I still have the addressing label stuff around here somewhere, Saddam's address, all his top generals, etc.
        Some of the calendars was postmarked undeliverable, returned, because, as the Post Office explained in a note, it was in a mailing tube about the size of a LAW rocket launcher, and Desert Shield had started as they got some the mailing tubes. They obviously declined the mailing.
        Heh, I was just a smuck in advertising, what did I know?  

    •  Um.. "Known to created" (2+ / 0-)
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      YucatanMan, DRo

      I don't no how that happened.

      If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

      by AoT on Sun Sep 01, 2013 at 12:03:27 PM PDT

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      •  no issue I understood :) (5+ / 0-)

        I just dont think this amounts to evidence of wrongdoing (yet).

        From Richard Lyons linked article,

        The chemicals were exported only after officials were "100% certain" that they were going to a private company for industrial use, and none other.
        The explanation for the sales to Syria may be watertight.
        unfortunately that (older) article doesnt give any details,

        From your own linked article,

        the chemicals are in powder form and highly toxic. The licences specified that they should be used for making aluminium structures such as window frames.

        Professor Alastair Hay, an expert in environmental toxicology at Leeds University, said: “They have a variety of industrial uses.

        “But when you’re making a nerve agent, you attach a fluoride element and that’s what gives it its toxic properties.

        “Fluoride is key to making these munitions.

        “Whether these elements were used by Syria to make nerve agents is something only subsequent investigation will reveal.”

        "Just F" ? Be aware that Syria has rather large expanses of salt pans and can get fluor if it wants from its own territory. They´d have to mine and process it though and its entirely logical that they´d rather buy it from the market if they just need it for anything. Anything.

        Whether there´s any issue here depends entirely on what the Syrians actually used it for and I can see no evidence for that in what you linked to.

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