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  •  I am never too excited (1+ / 0-)
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    by the "will of the people" because many of them believe some stupid shit.

    Missiles at Syria will not be analogous to Iraq but it will be an act of war.

    •  This is NOT comparible to Iraq (2+ / 0-)
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      Where Bushco just made shit up to justify their war.

      This would be a response to ACTUAL international War Crimes.

      We shoulda done the same thing to Saddam after he gassed the Kurds.  

      But, of course, we didn't care what he did at that point because he was murdering Iranians for us.

      Hopefully we won't let another ethic genocidal act go ignored.

      Maybe for once we'll be on the right side of history.

      •  In both cases, we had claims ... (8+ / 0-)

        ... in the first case, the claims were debunked. In the second case, we don't yet know how strong the evidence behind the claims may be.

        At a similar time in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, that's exactly the situation we were in ~ we didn't yet know how strong the evidence behind the claims might be. The discovery that the claims were fabricated by accepting the word of dubious sources came later.

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        by BruceMcF on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 01:18:54 AM PDT

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        •  Yep. Apparently... (7+ / 0-)

          This is too difficult for some people to recognize.

          Of course it isn't exactly Iraq right now — the situation hasn't fully played out yet, but the circumstances you note are undeniably similar.

          Maybe people are having trouble seeing it because they can't fathom that this might be happening by way of a Democratic president. Or they really believe bombs will somehow solve the problem. I'm not sure which is worse.

          When it comes to war, I'd much rather take it seriously now and end up wrong, than wear horse blinders and look back with shame, after the fact.




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          by DeadHead on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 02:16:46 AM PDT

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          •  And Syria is not the only example .... (0+ / 0-)
            Maybe people are having trouble seeing it because they can't fathom that this might be happening by way of a Democratic president.

            The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

            by accumbens on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 06:24:02 AM PDT

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          •  as would I (1+ / 0-)
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            When it comes to war, I'd much rather take it seriously now and end up wrong, than wear horse blinders and look back with shame, after the fact.

            "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

            by allenjo on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:31:53 AM PDT

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      •  It boils down to picking sides in a sectarian (7+ / 0-)

        war. Despite what the media leads people to think, there is no clear cut good guy and bad guy here. There are allegations that both the government and the rebels used chemical weapons. The rebels were videotaped by the New York Times using prisoners as suicide bombers, among other horrific acts:

        Even the mass killings that Assad's father is known for were in response to a violent insurgency by the Sunnis/ Muslim Brotherhood.

        The Islamic uprising in Syria was a series of revolts and armed insurgency by Sunni Islamists, mainly members of the Muslim Brotherhood from 1976 until 1982. The uprising was aimed against the authority of the Ba'ath Party-controlled government of Syria, in what has been called "long campaign of terror". During the violent events Islamists attacked both civilians and off-duty military personnel, and civilians were also killed in retaliatory strike by security forces.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        The Assads, although brutal in their tactics (in the early 80s, they eventually slaughtered thousands of Sunnis in response to the uprising), have run a secular, economically left-wing government, and held Syria together for more than 40 years. If the Sunnis take over, who's to say they won't simply turn the tables on the Alawites and other minorities and take revenge? The killing could easily continue, and the country could remain in a state of low-level war even if new leadership takes power.

        This is a good documentary on some of the history: BBC: Inside Syria

        So why pick winners and losers when there is no good side to work with? Because the U.S. and the Sunni states have their own agenda, which has nothing to do with WMDs or human rights. It's all about geopolitics: marginalizing Russia, taking control of Syria which is an important transit hub for the oil and natural gas industries, and completing the encirclement of Iran.

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