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  •  You clearly don't know this area of NYC then (3+ / 0-)
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    mattc129, nycwahoodem, sviscusi

    This isn't a bougie area, this particular subway station is in a working class neighborhood.  So cut out the NYC bashing.

    Two hours might be a reasonable amount of time, but what if it took all day?  You yourself state that it can take a long time to lure the cats away from the tracks.

    What if the delay was during rush hour?  What if parents need to pick up their kids from school/daycare/etc.?  What about if you're going to a doctor's appointment and now you can't be seen because you missed your scheduled time and they are booked the entire day?

    Have you ever lived in a dense city before?  Because it sure doesn't sound like it.

    Some of these lines deep in the outer boroughs don't have an extra express line like those in Manhattan do, so that means you would be shutting down service for every single remaining stop on the line.

    It's not like people are gaining some sadistic pleasure out of keeping the subway lines on and possibly running over the cats.  But to state that shutting down an entire subway line for several hours is only a mere "inconvenience" is just being disingenuous.

    "Give me a lever long enough... and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

    by mconvente on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:46:07 AM PDT

    •  Do YOU know NYC? (1+ / 0-)
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      First of all, the only people "trapped" on trains would be those who were on trains stopped between Church Street and the next station in either direction.  All other trains would proceed slowly to their next station, and wait there for the signal to proceed.  Any passengers on those trains had the option to get off the train and use alternative means of getting where they were going, particularly when the delay dragged on.  They could have used buses, taxis, called friends--any number of alternatives present themselves.

      The decision to halt traffic was made because the track workers figured it would take five or ten minutes to catch the cats.  Once committed to this policy they continued to pursue it, rightly or wrongly, since the only persons really stuck were those in the trains between Church Street and the next stations inbound and outbound.  If ManhattanMan's estimate of 86 persons per subway car is to be believed, then fewer than 150 people had their days interrupted by an extravagant, if unforeseen, delay.

      I have relatives who live in the NYC area, and have been to NY many times, and delays are simply part of the experience of riding the subways.  The best way to deal with them is to have developed a little tolerance as part of one's psychological makeup.  I'll repeat for your benefit the quote I posted above.  I suspect it will mean little to you, but what the hey.

      "All man's miseries derive from not being able to sit quietly in a room alone."  --Blaise Pascal

      I'm not sixty-two—I'm fifty-twelve!

      by Pragmatus on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 10:20:51 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, actually, I DO know NYC (2+ / 0-)
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        I grew up in northern New Jersey, just about 15-20 minutes outside of NYC.  Been there countless times.  So yes indeed I know the city.

        It's way more than just the individuals trapped in the affected rail cars.  It's 2+ hours of passengers that now have to find a different way to pick up their kids, or make that doctor's appointment, etc. etc.

        Yeah, sure delays happen all the time - for track work and electrical issues.  Which most of the time (at least for maintenance) are known well in advance of their scheduled repairs.

        And jeez, you're scolding New Yorkers as a whole for being "bourgeoisie" and then insisting that there are countless other options for travel.  Yeah, try telling a low income worker to take a $40 cab ride into Manhattan (vs. a $2.25 subway ride).  I'm sure that will work out just fine.

        Who's being "bourgeoisie" now buddy?

        "Give me a lever long enough... and I shall move the world." - Archimedes

        by mconvente on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 11:12:11 AM PDT

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      •  actually (2+ / 0-)
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        depending on if an A or B car, each car holds around 200 standing at 42 sitting. since on average there are 10 cars, thats over 2,000 people a train.

        delaying commuters who are the middle class ones not in cabs or car services, for 2 hours for 2 cats is why people often think liberals are ridiculous. i grew up with a cat, i loved my cat, this was silly.

        •  Then your argument is with the station workers (1+ / 0-)
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          Byrnt

          who decided to hold up the trains to see if they could rescue the cats.

          The topic of this diary was the ill-considered response by the GOP's candidate for mayor of New York City.  Whether or not you think posing danger to animals is inconsequential if the alternative is slowing or stopping a subway train, Joe Lhota was just plain stupid to come out with such remarks a short time before the election.  (Hint: this was the point of the diary.)

          Anybody who had to get anywhere wasn't glued to the trains that sat idle at the stations in Brooklyn.  There are eight subway lines (and innumerable bus lines) within easy walking, bus or taxi distance from Church Avenue Station.  (See red circle on subway map below that shows where Church Ave Station is.)  So perhaps the guys at the station who decided to try and save two kittens figured that anybody stuck on the trains, if they were in a hurry and bothered to use their heads, could get where they were going with a minimum of disruption.  Of course this wasn't my original point, but it has been brought into the discussion by elements who believe that humans should never have to wait, and when they are forced to, it is acceptable and even laudable to complain about it like children.

          I'm not sixty-two—I'm fifty-twelve!

          by Pragmatus on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 03:44:55 PM PDT

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          •  Unbelievably wrong about station location (1+ / 0-)
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            mconvente

            This just further proves my point that you have no idea what you are talking about. I've included a zoomed in version of the official MTA subway map (cropped) below with two circled areas: first is zoomed to your circle, and the second is zoomed to the actual Church Ave B/Q station.

            Your version:
             photo BrooklynHeights_zpsadb03efb.jpg

            The actual station:
             photo ChurchAve_zps928ffa3f.jpg

            So, you can clearly see there aren't "eight subway lines" within walking distance to the real Church Ave station. And, as real New Yorkers know, some of these lines don't run on weekends, like the shared track B train and sorta close 5 train, which could have caused even more problems had the disruption occurred then.

            Again, you just took a bite of red meat consisting of "Republican" and "kill kitties." Do some research before you go on your outrage tour which makes liberals look ridiculous.

            •  "Republican" was linked to "kill kitties" (0+ / 0-)

              by Joe Lhota.  That was the point of the diary.  Still is.  He was very stupid to say the things he did.  The word "politician" has the same roots as the word "polite"; he failed apparently to get the memo.  

              If you can't detect the difference between satire (e.g. "vile, satanic monster-creatures") and outrage it's no wonder you automatically equate "liberals" and "ridiculous".

              You know, you'd get a lot more mileage out of your indignation elsewhere.  Just Google "Hillary Clinton Benghazi cover-up" and you will find enough to keep you occupied 24/7 for the next 1200 years.  :o)

              You're right about my mistakes on the map.  I couldn't find a large enough version for my poor eyes to read so I placed Church Avenue Station in the wrong location.  But the point that people had no options once the trains stopped is fabulous (in the sense of "derived from a fable or fantasy").

              I'm not sixty-two—I'm fifty-twelve!

              by Pragmatus on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 07:38:43 PM PDT

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