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  •  Conservatism has been propped up by DEMOCRATS. (4+ / 0-)

    George W, between Katrina and the Iraq fiasco and the unfunded spending frenzy he called his two terms, exposed just how hypocritical, pathetic, yet dangerous the Republican party was in America.

    Remember, the D's owned the House and the Senate after '06, and kept them in '08 while getting a Democratic President. The Republicans had screwed the pooch so badly that the American electorate FIRED THEM EN MASSE.

    The Republican party was in its death throes in '09. The elephant was lying there on the ground, bloodied and beaten, waiting for Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi to walk over, put a boot on its neck, and cut its throat.

    Dead. Gone. Broken into warring pieces.

    Had Obama immediately broken up the big banks, had his Justice Dept. immediately began preparing indictments against the TOP LEVEL EXECUTIVES responsible for the crimes of the big banks, AIG, and the ratings agencies, had there been perp walks while Nancy and Harry worked to create and pass meaningful and effective finance reform as their first order of business, the Democrats would have crushed the R's in '10, and it would be OVER for them.

    There would have been no Mitt Romney, and we'd be dealing with Libertarians and Tea Baggers and the remaining carcass of the establishment Rs, all vying as 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and maybe more parties.

    Obamacare would be hailed as a boon to society, not vilified into potential impotence.

    But none of that happened because Obama was the #1 recipient of campaign cash in '08 from Wall Street. Then there are the Democratic Senators, like Chuck Schumer, who are owned by Wall Street.

    Once the public caught on that they had been swindled by "Hope and Change", that the fatcats were untouchable, no matter how much devastation they caused, because the fatcats own the leadership of the Democratic party, the voters did the only thing they know how to do, fire the incumbents.

    Which gave us worse Republicans than we shitcanned in '06.

    The Republican party still exists because the Democrats are their codependents.

    If the Republicans go away, who will act as the Bad Cop in this plutocratic scam we call a democracy?

    "Politeness is wasted on the dishonest, who will always take advantage of any well-intended concession." - Barrett Brown

    by 3rdOption on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 08:19:16 PM PDT

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    •  Obamacare is a boon to society. There's a (2+ / 0-)
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      multibillion dollar campaign to fight Obamacare from the Kochs, gop, etc. because they know it is.

      I have a different narrative.

      However, I agree with your general comments about some of the Dem Senators and Wall Street.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:21:24 PM PDT

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      •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)
        Obamacare is a boon to society.
        My point was just that the Tea Bagger narrative would have never been able to take hold had the Democrats taken the moral high ground by bringing the bankers to heel.

        Breaking up and defanging the banks would have given the D's so much clout, that there never would have been "death panels" and "keep your gubbmint hands off my Medicare" and all that.

        I also agree that, even in its corporate-friendly Romneycare state, Obamacare is a profound threat to the "conservatives". An existential threat, I would say.

        None of the Republican naysayers want to be around when 30 million Americans get to go to a doctor for the first time in a decade or more, and not in the emergency room, and not while having to declare bankruptcy.

        They'll end up looking like the liars they are. Oh, wait, that's never stopped them before...

        "Politeness is wasted on the dishonest, who will always take advantage of any well-intended concession." - Barrett Brown

        by 3rdOption on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 09:42:19 PM PDT

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      •  Obamacare does a lot of good (0+ / 0-)

        There 's a laundry list - you better than I can recite it. I'll just concede it. But Obamacare is unnecessarily expensive. Our present health care system wastes something like 800 billion dollars a year. The most optimistic estimates are that Obamacare will waste only a little less. Also, it shifts the economic burden toward the working poor - $50 a month (after subsidies) sounds like little enough, especially considering what it goes for, but it matters. Had Obamacare passed in '93 (and Hillarycare did not have price controls btw) I would have not been able to save enough to qualify for a mortgage in '97. I would not have been able to pay off my mortgage in '05. I would not have been able to pay the rent in '07. I would have died homeless in '08. Instead I am retiring at 56 in '13. Big difference.

        •  I know what your saying. However, I think everyone (0+ / 0-)

          agreed that Obamacare wasn't complete, that it was a matter of overcoming inertia and putting together a structure that could be improved upon.
          Single payer is the way to go in the long run.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 09:50:37 AM PDT

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