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  •  The UN inspectors were to leave a day early due to (3+ / 0-)
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    FG, WakeUpNeo, Justanothernyer

    impending missile strikes. They left even earlier. The sites they wanted to inspect were inconveniently under heavy artillery fire.

    Addressing your points in order:

    The US claim of sarin gas has now been confirmed by multiple sources.

    Médecins Sans Frontières said they had access to information from a limited number of hospitals and clinics. They said other victims were treated at 6 additional hospitals. Then there were those who never got to a hospital. Before you ask, no, I can't verify the count either.

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Is it proper to conflate "slam dunk" with the Obama administration?

    For the same reason people don't respond to street crime. They don't want to get involved.

    Is there any evidence this administration has used white phosphorous in Fallujah or are you once again conflating Bush and Obama?

    Other than that and the meaningless questions at the end, it's a fine diary.

    Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

    by Just Bob on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 11:02:01 PM PDT

    •  there were anecdotal accounts from Iraqi fighters (1+ / 0-)
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      that "skin melted" following artillery strikes while WP is also used as an artillery and aerial strike marker by a good many militaries.  It also makes a handy deterrent to insurgents trying to mass for an assault so take your choice as to why "Willie Pete" may have been used  

    •  MSF press release (4+ / 0-)
      Over the last two days, the American, British, and other governments have referred to reports from several groups, including Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF), while stating that the use of chemical weapons in Syria was “undeniable” and designating the perpetrators.

      MSF today warned that its medical information could not be used as evidence to certify the precise origin of the exposure to a neurotoxic agent or to attribute responsibility....

       On August 24, MSF announced that three hospitals it supplies in Syria’s Damascus governorate had reportedly received 3,600 patients displaying neurotoxic symptoms, of which 355 died. Although our information indicates mass exposure to a neurotoxic agent, MSF clearly stated that scientific confirmation of the toxic agent was required, and therefore called for an independent investigation to shed light on what would constitute, if confirmed, a massive and unacceptable violation of international humanitarian law.

      MSF also stated that in its role as an independent medical humanitarian organization, it was not in a position to determine responsibility for the event. Now that an investigation is underway by United Nations inspectors, MSF rejects that our statement be used as a substitute for the investigation or as a justification for military action.

      etc
       (my emphasis)

      link

      •  We know that. For MSF to function they have to (1+ / 0-)
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        Wee Mama

        remain totally independent. They do not want to be seen as spies.

        Even the UN inspections are not used to determine who fired the CW, only that CW was used.

        That said, the successful use of Atropine to treat those affected is a strong indication of a nerve gas. The other possibility is VX. If you were a betting man would you bet on VX or sarin? Does it make any difference?

        The inspectors are back in the Netherlands and their final report will be available soon.

        The US has hair and blood samples from first responders. If they told us who collected those samples people would die. Do you still want to know how we got those samples?

        There's no reason to doubt the results of the tests we've done except mistrust of government...any government apparently, not withstanding that the results collateral with other information.

        Others have simply gotten old. I prefer to think I've been tempered by time.

        by Just Bob on Mon Sep 02, 2013 at 11:39:13 PM PDT

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