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  •  There are even more mechanisms to prevent DNA (1+ / 0-)
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    or RNA from other organisms from existing in cells much less replicating or integrating into the host genome. Even bacteria have  CRISPR regions in their DNA that remembers foreign nucleic acid incursion and is primed to destroy it as a form of an immune system.

    Tea Baggers Unite and follow that lemming.

    by OHdog on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 09:47:14 AM PDT

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    •  OK, I'll play along (0+ / 0-)

      if that's the case, then why all the paranoia?

      •  Because we are not worried that the foreign DNA (2+ / 0-)
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        in GMO foods are going to invade our cells. The primary problem is with the over use of a single kind of herbicide that has some unintended consequences on the sustainable productivity of soil, of biodiversity of crops, and on integrated eco-systems. And that also applies to Bt Toxin genes integrated into food crops which also may lead to the expressed toxin being protected from digestion as it would be if ingested in the natural form in the bacteria and then becoming active in the animal ingesting that form of GMO crop.

        Tea Baggers Unite and follow that lemming.

        by OHdog on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 10:40:18 AM PDT

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        •  OK, if that makes sense to you, very good! (0+ / 0-)

          OTOH, I simply am reaching the point where I give up.

          So bravo, you win!!!

          •  it would make sense to you (2+ / 0-)
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            if you gave enough a damn to listen to what somebody else has to say.  

            •  Unless they're complete idiots who (0+ / 0-)

              don't have a fucking clue how nature works.

              •  Once You Start... (2+ / 0-)
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                calling people idiots, people who have genuine concerns that you have not addressed, then it may actually be time to leave.

                This seems to be a reflex among many GE cheerleaders.

                People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. - George Orwell

                by paz3 on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 01:55:19 PM PDT

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            •  In particular, please explain to me what (1+ / 0-)
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              is "scary" about cross-kingdom incorporation of genes into one organism from another.

              Considering that people already eat food from every kingdom out there (e.g., bacteria, fungi, plants, animals . .. . ).

              •  i didn't say it was scary (2+ / 0-)
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                so that's all on you.  I was merely commenting that inserting genes from saffron into rice was not merely "hybridization" in the classic sense of hybridizing say, wheat.
                Putting Bt genes into soy or corn or anything else ought to give us concern because the reason Bt works is because it is an insecticide (natural) that causes insect guts to explode, and that is what is going strait into our guts.  The GMO industry has given us every reason to be dubious to their claims that it is safe for human consumption.

                •  Do you have the slightest inkling of how Bt toxic (1+ / 0-)
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                  causes insect guts to explode?

                  If so, you'd not be so paranoid about a similar happening in humans .. . . .

                  but I suspect (no, I full well know) that you're much more eager to engage in silly fear mongering than seek out that information.

                  •  you are so full of pleasant insults (2+ / 0-)
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                    thank you for insulting me for not doing your research for you.  

                    I don't know what your problem is, but saying that an industry that has over and over lied to farmers, hidden problematic data from regulators and hyper-aggressively sued farmers, should give us reason to be dubious to their claims is not the same as fear-mongering.  
                    Thanks for the intimidation-mongering though.

                    •  The thing is that to some, the few who (0+ / 0-)

                      care about science in modern American science, Bt is a miracle of discrimination between targeting problematic insect parasites and avoiding harm to the eventual consumers of the crop (e.g, humans).

                      to others, it is indistinguishable from a tool of the devil.

                      btw, I have done my research for me.  If you had cared to do the same for yourself, you'd probably be much less paranoid.

              •  Obfuscation Here (2+ / 0-)
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                In particular, please explain to me what is "scary" about cross-kingdom incorporation of genes into one organism from another.

                Considering that people already eat food from every kingdom out there (e.g., bacteria, fungi, plants, animals).

                That 'argument' is not in any way a scientific assertion. Consuming food that contains elements from every 'kingdom' in the scientific hierarchy has nothing at all whatsoever to do with scientific gene incorporation and insertion in the laboratory.

                People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. - George Orwell

                by paz3 on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 02:10:26 PM PDT

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          •  No RG -- You win. (0+ / 0-)

            You don't have to go through life believing in nice shiny things because you want them to be true and you want to feel just a little bit better and a little bit smarter than everybody else.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 07:19:11 PM PDT

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        •  Golden rice has nothing to do (0+ / 0-)

          with Bt toxin, or any other resistance marker (BASTA, Kanamycin or Hygromycin).

          So, why are we worried about golden rice?

      •  Ignoring This? (1+ / 0-)
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        Not answering directly, but my main source of "paranoia" over genetic engineering of food crops has to do with the traces of glyphosate (e.g. Roundup) found in glyphosate-resistant crops after they are harvested, and the as yet untested and/or unrealized potential effects of that substance accumulating in the tissues of living organisms, including humans, over time.

        I've yet to see GE cheerleaders address this. How can they? as the results are still unknown.

        People can foresee the future only when it coincides with their own wishes, and the most grossly obvious facts can be ignored when they are unwelcome. - George Orwell

        by paz3 on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 01:52:54 PM PDT

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