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  •  What I'm really worried about (11+ / 0-)

    Even if we make deep cuts in civilian consumption, the world's militaries will still be drinking deep of oil and gas.

    I don't know how to stop that.

    The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 08:58:22 AM PDT

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    •  yes, we have to work to change policy but (7+ / 0-)

      while we are working to do that we can change our consumption which in turn influences market and policy. Walk and chew gum at the same time is what we have to do now.  Being part of solution helps with anxiety

      Macca's Meatless Monday

      by VL Baker on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 09:03:32 AM PDT

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      •  The bottom 50% have some 13% of the income. (2+ / 0-)
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        How it's spent doesn't do much to alter markets or policy.

        It's very, very dangerous to think that "little personal steps" can alleviate the problem.  Sometimes, anxiety serves a purpose in making us confront real dangers, and forcing us to take serious risks to remove them.

        "But the traitors will pretend / that it's gettin' near the end / when it's beginning" P. Ochs

        by JesseCW on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 10:49:37 AM PDT

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        •  Well, then take major steps (5+ / 0-)

          The point VL Baker is trying to make is that this problem isn't going to solve itself. Get off your ass and do something. Do a little thing if that's all you can do, but do something! No use sitting around waiting for a revolution to save the world when the whole world is crumbling all around you.

          It's amazing the amount of finger pointing people will do to save themselves from having to take one bit of personal responsibility. IMHO that's what's dangerous.

          "Take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." - Elie Wiesel

          by Jason Hackman on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 11:08:51 AM PDT

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          •  One of the easiest 'do somethings' (2+ / 0-)
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            is 'not doing' -- not eating as much meat. There's absolutely no downside!

            "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

            by Crider on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 07:22:54 PM PDT

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    •  Time to put the military and war on a (2+ / 0-)
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      greenhouse gas emission budget.

    •  the US military (5+ / 0-)

      is doing more than the private sector.  They are serious about waging war, and they know logistically, the places they need to fight, they need to be able to fight without long supply lines of incredibly expensive fuels.

      •  I'm aware of this, actually. and kudos to them-- (1+ / 0-)
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        but they're starting from, uh, a very long way from where they need to be. Not really their fault; they're a late 20th-century military, for the most part. That means lots of oil.

        The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 06:39:00 AM PDT

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        •  we are all starting a very long way (1+ / 0-)
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          from where we need to be.  The real difference between the US military and the private sector, is they have started.  By and large the private sector is talking about starting.

          Each year our military will use less oil, major solar installations are going in to provide bases with power, many vehicles, planes, ships are converting to other means of fuelr, field equipment runs on solar to some extent already. Other than being starved out of buying power, can we really say the same for consumers, and major industries?

          I think it is a symptom of being left behind.   Less money, less education, less technology, less of everything for ordinary people who will become increasingly impoverished while our military, mercenaries to the multinationals, and a select fewothers,  move on.

          •  Good point. (1+ / 0-)
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            Thank God the military wants to do something.

            The party of Kennedy is also the party of Eastland. The party of Javits is also the party of Goldwater. Where is our party? Where is the political party that will make it unnecessary to march on Washington?

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 12:43:33 PM PDT

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