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  •  Growing animals for meat doesn't always (2+ / 0-)
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    The Jester, DawnN

    lead to disaster.

    This is exactly what The Jester is talking about.

    Raising animals industrially for a culture that demands high quantities of meat more than once daily (daily is already too much) causes problems.

    Raising animals in integrated agroecosystems does not.

    Research has shown:

    Overall, methane emissions from bison, elk, and deer in the pre-settlement period in the contiguous United States were about 70% (medium bison population size) of the current emissions from farmed ruminants in the U.S.;
    Emphasis added.

    If we were to allow wild herds of ruminants to return to their former numbers, we would still be facing a "methane bomb" or whatever it is folks want to use to scare others about livestock ALWAYS causing damage.

    I've also written extensively here about how livestock are not always a problem and how raising them in other ways can reverse every single one of the items you listed as them always causing.

    Which is in no way a "small dent."

    •  Yes, thankyou. We KNOW how to do it right.... (2+ / 0-)
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      DawnN, FinchJ

      Corporations taking short cuts and just not giving a shit are at fault here.

      It is a shining example of what REGULATIONS and laws are for, to force the otherwise cheapskate businesses to do the right thing the right way.

      Sure, the costs will go up, but not by enough to be an impediment. Just raise and feed the livestock correctly using our best concepts.... we can meet our need for food while being responsible to the environment.

      But corporation control and self-regulation has proven they can't even keep e-coli out of the vegetables or fruit, never mind minimize CH4 production.

      It may mean doing things a different way, but humans are very flexible, so long as we still get fed. :P

    •  Pre-settlement period, it said (0+ / 0-)

      A rather important distinction, doncha think?

      "Societies strain harder and harder to sustain the decadent opulence of the ruling class, even as it destroys the foundations of productivity and wealth." — Chris Hedges

      by Crider on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 07:29:46 PM PDT

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      •  How so? (0+ / 0-)

        Those that intend to end the raising of livestock will do what with the grasslands they came from?

        Should the grasslands be left devoid of ruminant herbivores to avoid methane emissions?

        What do you do with the land once the animals are gone?

        Do you know what happens to grasslands when they are devoid of ruminant herbivores?

        Also, you may want to check out what Bill McKibben said about raising animals this way. Or what the UN has to say about agroecology. Or pay attention to the farmers all over the world who are using these methods to restore ecosystem services on small to massive scales.

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