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  •  War Party (13+ / 0-)

    Vote will highlight the split in the Democratic Party too.

    •  We don't have quite the same split (9+ / 0-)

      between isolationists and hawks.

      Our hawks are generally less hawkish, and we don't have too many "US out of the UN" hard-line isolationists.

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      by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 02:09:52 PM PDT

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      •  Our split is different (4+ / 0-)

        but not much less divisive. As you can see on this site we have a lot of people who favor a strike on the basis of humanitarianism and backing up international law. Along with establishment Democrats who are going to "go along to get along" they form a significant part of the party in Congress.

        There's a difference between a responsible gun owner and one that's been lucky so far.

        by BeerNotWar on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 02:24:15 PM PDT

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      •  There are regional aspects to the split too (2+ / 0-)
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        The east coast is more interventionist because it has a more international perspective.  The south has a greater military presence.

        The interior and the west coast just aren't that into middle east adventures or any adventures for that matter.  I mean if you're out here in the middle west thousands of miles from any ocean you have to work real hard to think you're facing a threat.  I mean, yeah, they attack New York and we're going but Syria?  

        Unfortunately, the establishment Democrats pretty much order the delegations like Minnesota to vote against the wishes of their constituents and expect us to look the other way.  The know we don't support this.

        •  A case can be made, of course, that some times (1+ / 0-)
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          a representative should vote other than a poll might indicate. In fact, we frequently bemoan the fact the GOP representatives don't do that, given how racist some of their districts appear to be.

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          by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 02:41:33 PM PDT

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          •  The MN delegation is interesting though (1+ / 0-)
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            Congressman Nolan apparently got into an argument with Kerry at a briefing and is strongly opposed.  (Maybe we've found Gene McCarthy).  The only Democrat strongly supporting the President is Keith Ellison.  Colin Peterson who I thought would go for it since he's a blue dog is opposed and that's got to be because his rural farm district is just not into this.  And poor Tim Walz  who is a bit of centrist but managed to win in a rural farm district which usually goes Republican is sitting on an electric fence trying to figure how to vote yes.  Paulsen a Republican in an upper income suburban district which is not Tea Party territory is against it.  It's not popular out here at all.   Even Bachmann for once is in tune with her voters saying we don't want another war in the middle east.  

            No one out here wants another war in the middle east.  They're going to use up every speck of support for war in the middle east.  But heck, maybe they'll make Americans so beyond sick of this that when the neocons want to do Iran, we'll finally get our Hell, NO!  We won't go moment.  

    •  It'll be the Amash vote all over again. (0+ / 0-)

      The same Dems who refused to defund the NSA surveillance of us will also vote to approve bombing: it's the "establishment" thing to do, don't you know.

      My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.—Carl Schurz
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      by KingBolete on Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 04:00:54 PM PDT

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