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  •  Carpet bombing Syria isn't going to occur (0+ / 0-)

    Obama isn't going to attack civilian populations.

    Money doesn't talk it swears.

    by Coss on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 10:28:16 AM PDT

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    •  even cruise missiles and drone rockets (0+ / 0-)

      blow stuff up when fired into dense urban areas. when you fire explosives into urban areas, you cannot credibly claim that the inevitable civilian casualties were an accident.

      see also: every war over the past two decades, when bullshit PR claims of precision bombing started hitting the airwaves in earnest.

      •  Again, where does this information come from? (0+ / 0-)

        Why are you arguing against a tactic you have no basis for claiming will occur? Where does the firing of cruise missles into dense urban areas come from,  specifically?!

        Money doesn't talk it swears.

        by Coss on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 12:45:28 PM PDT

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        •  reading comprehension fail (0+ / 0-)
          syria is a densely populated urbanized country (0+ / 0-)
          especially the eastern part of the country and the capital of damascus, where the chemical weapons were used and where the most intense fighting has been.
          see also: every war over the past two decades, when bullshit PR claims of precision bombing started hitting the airwaves in earnest.
          do you even read the comments you respond to?
          •  You are making an accusation (0+ / 0-)

            that Obama plans to shower cruise missles down on dense populations without any proof. I don't give a shit what prior presidents did, this is a new administration and one I personally trust not to behave like the last one.

            Obama isn't fucking stupid enough to blindly launch bombs into civilian neighborhoods.

            Money doesn't talk it swears.

            by Coss on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 03:50:30 PM PDT

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            •  "shower" and "blindly" are your words (0+ / 0-)

              my point was simply that firing missiles into dense urban areas will necessarily kill civilians, both from blast radii and from things going astray. the targets in syria won't be isolated ones out in the desert somewhere like the early stages of the air war in libya, it's mostly in big urban areas where the civil war fighting is taking place, as are the regime's military infrastructure and assets.

              to deny this basic fact of modern warfare, after several decades of war after war of "smart" missiles blowing civilians up "accidentally," is bordering on the delusional. one can argue that one can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, and that the civilian casualties will be worth the sacrifice if it teaches assad a lesson, but one cannot credibly argue that war with syria will not end up killing civilians.

              and that's not even getting in the depressingly predictable secondary effects of entering the war, WRT civilian casualties. go read up on the lebanese civil war if you want a preview of what happens when a sectarian-tinged war of militia vs. militia starts getting outside powers directly involved in the fighting. it's not pretty, and it kills a lot of civilians.

              seriously, dude, what do you think happens when americans launch airstrikes against targets in an urban area?

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