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    chemical weapons are barbaric and international norms apply.

    The trick is in making sure the "something" one does actually helps. Diffucult, that.

    But to question that motive? Nonsense.

    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

    by Greg Dworkin on Thu Sep 05, 2013 at 01:49:14 PM PDT

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    •  Nonsense? (0+ / 0-)

      You seem to have misread my comment.  No one quarrels with the notion that the use of chemical weapons is barbaric.  The question is why we're suddenly so concerned with international norms.

      International conventions are violated all the time, yet we don't seem to think it necessary to take military action in all such instances.  And as I pointed out, our country hasn't been a paragon of virtue on this front.  This country is famous for demanding that others comply with international law, even as we flout it.

      It's also more than a little ironic to insist on compliance with international norms while one proceeds to ignore the U.N., the international forum for dealing with this kind of issue.

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Thu Sep 05, 2013 at 03:04:38 PM PDT

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      •  you're right (1+ / 0-)
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        I did misread your comment, and my apologies.

        It's true that the world isn't pure, but this instance in terms of size and scope is something we have not seen in decades.

        The UN is useless so long as either China or Russia choose to make it so. That's doesn't surprise or bother me.

        Don't get me wrong, I oppose an open ended plan with no strategic underpinning. Making things worse doesn't sit well.

        My view is one needs to be careful despite the reasonable impetus to act, rather than say there's no persuasive rationale to act, when there is.

        "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

        by Greg Dworkin on Thu Sep 05, 2013 at 05:12:45 PM PDT

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        •  There's a wrong but no remedy. (0+ / 0-)

          At least that's how I see it.  There's no question that what's happening is wrong.  Our problem is the arrogant assumption that our military power will fix it.  It won't, and after all these years, we should have learned that.

          "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

          by FogCityJohn on Thu Sep 05, 2013 at 10:08:04 PM PDT

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