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  •  Your memory is wrong. (2+ / 0-)
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    splashoil, TheOpinionGuy

    Obama dealt away any chance of single payer to make a back room deal to pass RomneyCare. That was early in the game.
    Then he and the Senate Democrats sat on their thumbs while the town halls of 2009 helped give birth to the Tea Party.
    Progressives urged Obama and the Senate Democrats to use reconciliation to pass this which would have avoided the town hall debacle but Obama and the Senate Democrats refused. Until, months later, they finally wised up and passed it using reconciliation.

    •  Obama never supported single payer (1+ / 0-)
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      He in fact campaigned against it.

      Nor would single payer be politically feasible. It's a buzzword amongst the disaffected left to nullify the historic success of HCR; Obama gave up something he in fact never proposed.

      And take it from someone who's been on Canada's single payer health plan: a National single payer plan in the United States is completely out of the question politically.

      The disaffected left pretends that single payer is Shangri La and Nirvana all rolled up into one. It's superior to the American system, and more humane, but don't tell me it's a dream come true when I'm on my umpteenth month waiting to see a specialist.

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      by NoFortunateSon on Sun Sep 08, 2013 at 09:14:34 PM PDT

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      •  I get it - you hate progressives (0+ / 0-)

        Or, as you call them, the disaffected left.

        But you're still wrong - again.

        Obama did not campaign against Single Payer. He campaigned for RomneyCare. BIG difference.

        Nor would single payer be politically feasible...
        Sez who? You? The person with the delusional memory? Bwaahaha!
        It's a buzzword amongst the disaffected left to nullify the historic success of HCR
        Wrong again.
        The disaffected left pretends that single payer is Shangri La and Nirvana all rolled up into one.
        Wrong again. Nobody says it would be perfect.
        •  speaking of "wrong" (0+ / 0-)
          your memory is wrong.

          Obama dealt away any chance of single payer to make a back room deal to pass RomneyCare. That was early in the game.

          can you deal away something that really hasn't any chance of coming to pass?  we couldn't even get a public option; what on earth makes you think the votes for single payer were ever there?

          now, every health care advocate should have been demanding it anyway, but to say obama threw away something that wasn't on the table is just silly.

          Then he and the Senate Democrats sat on their thumbs while the town halls of 2009 helped give birth to the Tea Party.
          they were still wrangling details of the bill, and why do you blame dems and not the GOP for such delay?
          Progressives urged Obama and the Senate Democrats to use reconciliation to pass this which would have avoided the town hall debacle but Obama and the Senate Democrats refused.

          if by "refused," you mean "the votes weren't there," then sure. they "refused."  but there were never 50 votes to pass a public option via reconciliation and if you think the entirety of obamacare meets the requirements for using reconciliation, i've got a bridge to sell you.
          Until, months later, they finally wised up and passed it using reconciliation.
          i don't know what you mean by "it," but the ONLY things passed via reconciliation were removal of the cornhusker kickback and the modifications to the student loan program.

          Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

          by Cedwyn on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 08:22:03 PM PDT

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