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  •  It wasn't a stable dictatorship (0+ / 0-)

    there was a violent revolt before America and NATO showed up

    •  And left it a failed state. (0+ / 0-)

      So claiming the "success" of the intervention requires one to completely ignore the current state of Libya, a country that currently has little to no economy.

      Would have it got that way without our intervention? Maybe. But by no measure was our intervention a "success".

      Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

      by Robobagpiper on Thu Sep 05, 2013 at 09:19:49 AM PDT

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      •  What we do know (0+ / 0-)

        was that there was a violent dictator in charge who in the middle of a rebellion threatened to eradicate his enemies. That's my definition of a failed state. The immediate aftermath of most civil wars are violent so I wouldn't assume it's going to be like that forever.

    •  There's credible evidence that the UK and France (0+ / 0-)

      in collusion with radical elements on the ground to facilitate violence within the "revolution". It went violent with killings on both sides within days of the original announcement of protests.

      Libya was a lot more stable under Qaddafi than it is now. Libya is now a free-for-all.

      Libya in crisis as armed groups throttle oil supplies

      TRIPOLI, Libya, Sept. 4 (UPI) -- Lawless Libya, these days seen as a major haven for al-Qaida, is facing its greatest crisis since Moammar Gadhafi was toppled and killed in October 2011, as armed groups besiege oil fields and terminals, cutting production to a trickle and threatening economic meltdown.

      Farmers bulldoze ancient tombs in Libya to sell plots to developers

      Several ancient tombs at a Unesco World Heritage Site in northeastern Libya have been bulldozed to clear space for a residential complex. Local farmers, who have laid claim to part of the vast necropolis at Cyrene, began demolishing a mile-long section of the site last week in the hope of selling 500 sq. m parcels to real estate developers. Although the proper authorities have been notified, the country’s current fragile political situation has left them unable to intervene.
      ...
      “In Libya, customs and practices tend to carry more weight than the written law. This land traditionally belongs to families who live in nearby farms. They have no official documents that prove that they own the land, yet their claims are not contested. Under Gaddafi, these families did not dare try to act on these claims. But now, they have transformed the archaeological site into a construction zone,” Hussein says.

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