Skip to main content

View Diary: Center for Disease Control Addresses Gun Violence (76 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  Picking Committee Members (6+ / 0-)

    I can almost guarantee that researchers of such national stature as Kellerman, Hemenway, and Wintemute were indeed asked to sit on the author's committee.

    But some who were asked were already overbooked, or were otherwise not available.  Some might have had conflicting obligations.  In the end, you get a committee of people who were asked AND available AND willing to do the work.

    What I'm trying to say is that if someone is not named to a committee, it may be because of ordinary banal reasons, not because of some academic, political, or intellectual conspiracy.

    As to the contents of the report. I would be very interested in hearing what YOU think needs to be covered.  The Firearms Law and Policy group is planning a series of diaries on important issues in gun law and policy, and knowing what readers think are the important issues will help guide such a series of articles.

    "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

    by Hugh Jim Bissell on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 12:03:23 PM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    •  It is possible but (5+ / 0-)

      I would be surprised if none of them jumped at the chance were it offered. Sitting on an IOM panel is a huge honor. The CDC is very spooked given the history of their work being defunded and they may well have steered clear of anything controversial in this, and very much went in the medical / strict epidemiologic rather than political direction.

      I have not read the study in detail at this point, but it seems not to have addressed legislative solutions very much. Seems very micro level addressing things like gun storage, etc. My initial reaction is that I am a little disappointed by how timid it seems to be, and avoiding of the obvious, which may relate directly to who ended up on the panel and the intent to keep it from becoming a political football for the CDC.

      •  The CDC handed the mandate to outside experts (4+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        a2nite, Joy of Fishes, WakeUpNeo, Miggles

        I can easily imagine that they wanted to achieve a high level of impartiality so they used two levels of peer selection and review.

        The time frame was very, very short so HJB's suggestion about availability makes sense to me.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 12:22:32 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Well (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          LilithGardener

          The optics are a huge issue so no wonder this is what happened. Regardless of the reasons why it ended up the way it did, though, the net result appears to be weak tea. Too bad, but I guess we can't expect a lot more given the fact that the NRA runs the Congress, and they fund the CDC. I can imagine what the internal perspectives are on it though.

          •  I'm not sure what you mean by weak tea nt (0+ / 0-)

            "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

            by LilithGardener on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 12:46:22 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  That it is not (2+ / 0-)
              Recommended by:
              LilithGardener, mrblifil

              issuing any recommendations of anything very wide sweeping, legislatively speaking. It is sticking to a very narrow framework and staying away from addressing the big changes that could make a difference.

              •  Do you see that the purpose was to identify (5+ / 0-)

                how to prioritize research funds?

                The report is very dry, in the language the scientists use to describe correlations that need further study. "There is a correlation by cause and effect is not clear." Is that what you mean by weak tea?

                In the age of austerity all research budgets have been cut. I'd like to see more research re alcohol/guns and fatigue/guns. We know know re driving that drowsy driving is as bad as driving drunk, but it took decades or research and public education to implement change.

                "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                by LilithGardener on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 01:04:50 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

      •  Keep in mind that task of the committee (5+ / 0-)

        Keep in mind that the IOM/NRC committee had a very specific job: review previous research on gun violence and make suggestions for what kind of research should be done in the future.

        The committee was not asked to make suggestions for legislation or what weapons to ban.

        Given the task of the committee, I think we can expect the report to be pretty boring and staid.  It is not going to contain radical new ideas because the committee was not asked to make such suggestions.

        You may be correct that with a different group of committee members, a different report would have been issued.

        "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

        by Hugh Jim Bissell on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 12:40:15 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  In the Briefing Report (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Joy of Fishes, WakeUpNeo, Miggles

      which you link to, there is a graphic laying out the timeline.

      March - contract begins
      April 22-24 Committee meets
      May - Report sent out for peer review
      Jun 4 Released to the public.

      That is super fast for any academic review panel of this scope.

      I don't remember the date of the Presidents EO making the request. Does anyone recall?

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 12:12:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  In January, 2013 (4+ / 0-)

        If memory serves, it was Jan. 15, 2013 that Pres. Obama issued his executive order asking the CDC to present a report on gun violence.  So yes, in 5 months time, the committee summarized thousands of research studies and drafted a 120 page report.  This quick turnaround did not leave much time.

        "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

        by Hugh Jim Bissell on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 12:31:31 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  And there was a period for peer review (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Joy of Fishes, a2nite, WakeUpNeo, Miggles

          in their. Impressed with that step being included.

          Have you seen anything about the panel reviewing the guns/mental health nexus?

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 12:36:51 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site