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  •  So I tried to stay undecided... (11+ / 0-)

    on what to do with Syria until I was able to talk to my Syrian-American friend.  She has family in Damascus, so their lives would definitely be in danger if we were to strike.  I happened to run into her today, and finally asked her about it.  (I hadn't done this earlier because it's not a comfortable thing to do; you don't call someone up to talk about this.)  Her opinion was that the U.S. should stay the hell out of it, and let the Syrians handle it themselves.  She is NOT happy with Obama about this.  And she's NO conservative by any stretch.

    Now, she's also certain Assad DID use chemical weapons in that horrific attack two weeks ago, after talking to her cousin, who had to be very careful with what he said, because they all know the Syrian government is listening in to their phone calls.  Even those living in Damascus under Assad's grip don't believe it was the rebels that did the gassing, so fuck you, Ron Paul.

    And with the disturbing video of some rebels in Syria executing soldiers in cold blood taken from last year, the problem is there are no good actors here.  There are monsters on both sides willing to do horrific things to other humans.

    Anyway, after getting her opinion on matters, I'm now against intervening in Syria militarily, unless events on the ground change in an even more horrific way.

    •  Thank you for the opinion of a Syrian-American (4+ / 0-)
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      I've read some news accounts of the Syrian rebels executing young boys for "profanity" in front of their mothers. No good actors.

      To thine ownself be true

      by Agathena on Thu Sep 05, 2013 at 09:23:04 PM PDT

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      •  I was getting annoyed... (6+ / 0-)

        by people on BOTH sides of this, even here on DailyKos, who were soooooo adamant in their position, but for whom it was readily apparent they didn't actually know any Syrians, or talk to any Syrians, in coming to their conclusions.

        I try to stay in the reality-based community, and as a trained scientist (woot, Ph.D. in statistics), it can be incredibly stupid to have preconceived notions or a one-size-fits-all policy.  And when facts change, a good scientist will change his or her opinion right along to go with the most up-to-date information.  And if you never bother to talk to anyone who's personally affected by it, you simply haven't done your due diligence.

        So I do get annoyed at those who are 100% always anti-war or pro-war.  It's more nuanced than that.  And using polling doesn't get to the heart of whether it's the right or wrong thing to do.  Before Pearl Harbor, poll after poll also showed supermajorities of like 80% of Americans did NOT want to get involved in WWII, despite there already being evidence coming out of Germany about the Holocaust.  We as a whole didn't care enough, and so you had the horrific blight of FDR turning away boatloads of Jewish refugees back to their deaths.  Maybe one of the smartest things said about war was this.

        I am not opposed to all wars.  I'm opposed to dumb wars.
        Who said that again?  Oh yeah, a then-little known state senator from Illinois named Barack Obama.
    •  Obama never should have allowed the corporate (3+ / 0-)
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      media/right wing noise machine to continue badgering him about idiotic 'red lines'.

      He should have said : 'I don't do red lines (see Iraq)'.

      Of course the right wing noise machine would have called him 'weak, helping our enemies, blah, blah, blah, etc., etc.', but they don't have any credibility anymore when it comes to foreign policy/national defense issues.

      The problems are caused by the corporate media picking up and repeating the idiotic rhetoric that constantly spews out of the right wing noise machine.

      ------"Load up on guns, bring your friends. It's fun to lose and to pretend."------- Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Thu Sep 05, 2013 at 09:30:22 PM PDT

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      •  He Does Red Lines (0+ / 0-)

        No - Obama clearly does do red lines. He's the one who volunteered that policy, in public. It's not the corporate media's fault, it's Obama's. Even the part where Obama goes with the corporate media narrative is Obama's fault.

        He doesn't get off that easy.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 07:51:55 AM PDT

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    •  Every Time I read about things like this; (0+ / 0-)

      I say to myself, this is so crazy! Why are guys like assad, etc, so crazy?

      This is the year 2013, one would think that even all the crazies of the past had learned something.

      No offense, but look at Japan. Smart people. They got rid of their totalitarian govt (the Emperor's just a figurehead) and now they own the world. Much more so, than China.

      IMO, assad's gonna go the same way gadaffi and bin laden did. Someone will bump him off.

      A little poem I composed.

      bin laden sleeps with the fishes
      gadaffi wishes he'd left town when he could
      and assad's time is up.

      For Everyone Affected By Violence And Poverty, Everywhere

      Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

      by rebel ga on Thu Sep 05, 2013 at 11:13:01 PM PDT

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      •  Japan Owns the World? (0+ / 0-)

        On what planet does Japan own the world?

        On what planet did Japan get rid of its emperor, rather than the US getting rid of him?

        As Japan wallows in yet another year of economic stagnation, and heads into its third year of continuing to nuke itself continuously from the ongoing Fukushima meltdown, you're celebrating the Japanese triumphs in enlightened rule and economics?

        Is this some kind of Toho movie?

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 07:54:32 AM PDT

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        •  Despite Fukismima (0+ / 0-)

          Japan started out as an agrarian society. Who became the leading manufacturer of wold goods. For over 60 years now. How do you think they can build that 58 billion dollar transit system?

          You don't see anything like that in other totalarian countries like China. In China they may have money, but their only industry is sweat shops (pretty much).

          BTW, The US gov't never got rid of any emperor. They left hirohito in power. Reign December 25, 1926 –January 7, 1989
          I would have bombed his house first, and left the people alone.

          Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

          by rebel ga on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 09:39:22 AM PDT

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          •  Gibberish (0+ / 0-)

            You are indeed living on another planet.

            Yes, the US left Hirohito and the emperor in power, but it was the US that reduced the office to a figurehead. That is totally different from "they got rid of their totalitarian government" that you posted.

            Also, China has sweat shops, but it has a lot more industry than only sweat shops.

            And you haven't even breathed a word, however misinformed, defending your assertion that "Japan owns the world". So I'm not going to bother digging deeper into the more subtle points in your inane posting about Japan and its "(no offense) smart people".

            You're posting 1980s junior high misconceptions at me. Goodbye.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 12:23:26 PM PDT

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            •  Goodbye (0+ / 0-)

              Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

              by rebel ga on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 05:58:57 PM PDT

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            •  PS So where do you get the right to call (0+ / 0-)

              my comment gibberish? Some people act like they know everything. Doesn't mean that they actually do.

              btw, I was in junior high in the sixties, not the eighties.

              I was born in 1950 and probably know more about history than you do.

              Nobody likes an opinionated, smart alek who wants to push their opinion off as the only reality. Just saying.

              ie when you see a comment you don't like DocGonzo, ever try just moving down the thread? Or is abusing people verbally how you have you fun? So sorry for you, you must lose a lot of potential friends that way.

              Oh yeah, and you'd be lucky to be as smart as the modern day Japanese people are. Jealous much?

              Brought To You By That Crazed Sociologist/Media Fanatic rebel ga Be The Change You Want To See In The World! Gandhi

              by rebel ga on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 06:15:54 PM PDT

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