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  •  They wish to fight (5+ / 0-)

    if we join the fight
    the fight becomes larger
    more people die .

    If I thought that we could go in and stop them from fighting ...

    Or if you could provide some examples of past wars that were taken care of by outside forces ...

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    by indycam on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 07:59:56 AM PDT

    •  I am firmly opposed... (1+ / 0-)
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      to any US military engagement in Syria, but to answer your question - Kosovo was resolved with NATO aircraft.

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      by carver on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 08:16:37 AM PDT

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      •  Kosovo was resolved by diplomacy (3+ / 0-)
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        backed by nato aircraft .
        I don't think that's whats going on in Syria .

        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        Meanwhile, the U.S. Ambassador to the Republic of Macedonia, Christopher Hill, was leading shuttle diplomacy between an Albanian delegation, led by Rugova, and the Yugoslav and Serbian authorities. It was these meetings which were shaping what was to be the peace plan to be discussed during a period of planned NATO occupation of Kosovo.

        During a period of two weeks, threats intensified, culminating in NATO's Activation Order being given. NATO was ready to begin airstrikes, and Richard Holbrooke went to Belgrade in the hope of reaching an agreement with Milošević.

        Officially, the international community demanded an end to fighting. It specifically demanded that the Yugoslavia end its offensives against the KLA whilst attempting to convince the KLA to drop its bid for independence. Moreover, attempts were made to persuade Milošević to permit NATO peacekeeping troops to enter Kosovo. This, they argued, would allow for the Christopher Hill peace process to proceed and yield a peace agreement.

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        by indycam on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 08:36:31 AM PDT

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        •  No. (0+ / 0-)

          Diplomacy resolved Kosovo, and then the good folks at NATO decided that Serbia needed some bombing anyway.  The US media then dressed all this up as if the bombing were necessary.

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          by Cassiodorus on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 09:09:28 AM PDT

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          •  ... (0+ / 0-)
            Kosovo was resolved by diplomacy
             No. Diplomacy resolved Kosovo,

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            by indycam on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 09:16:53 AM PDT

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            •  The dispute there is with parts ... (0+ / 0-)

              ... you didn't quote.

              You:

              backed by nato aircraft
              Cassiodorus:
              and then the good folks at NATO decided that Serbia needed some bombing anyway.

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              by BruceMcF on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 12:07:45 PM PDT

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              •  That's not the dispute (0+ / 0-)

                I didn't talk about the bombing or the timing or the necessity .

                Diplomacy backed by nato aircraft , and then the good folks at NATO decided that Serbia needed some bombing anyway.

                That's an addition to what I said , not a "No" .

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                by indycam on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 12:44:01 PM PDT

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                •  If you say it was done by diplomacy backed ... (0+ / 0-)

                  ... by nato aircraft, which is saying that the nato aircraft were supporting that side's bargaining position ...

                  ... and Cassiodorus says it was done by diplomacy without requiring the nato aircraft that were used anyway ...

                  ... the disagreement there is whether the nato aircraft were indeed supporting, or in other words "backing", the diplomacy. You claiming it was, Cassiodorus replying to disagree with that part of your claim.

                  If you don't mean to say that the nato aircraft was supporting that side of the diplomacy, not using a phrase that means it was supporting that side in the diplomacy would be the way to go there.

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                  by BruceMcF on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 02:35:58 PM PDT

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                  •  So we are debating backed ? (0+ / 0-)
                    During a period of two weeks, threats intensified, culminating in NATO's Activation Order being given. NATO was ready to begin airstrikes, and Richard Holbrooke went to Belgrade in the hope of reaching an agreement with Milošević.

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                    by indycam on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 03:17:24 PM PDT

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                    •  Cassiodorus surely is. (0+ / 0-)

                      He directly claimed that the NATO airstrikes were redundant to the diplomatic success, which is a contradiction to what you claimed, that the NATO air strikes backed the diplomatic effort.

                      Go ahead and dispute his claim if you wish, but to strip out what he was saying "No" to in order to suggest there was no difference in what you were saying is not valid.

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                      by BruceMcF on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 04:28:06 PM PDT

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                      •  Ok (0+ / 0-)
                        backed by nato aircraft
                        vs
                        NATO airstrikes
                        Once again , different things . Not the same same .
                        Can't say no .

                        "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. H.

                        by indycam on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 04:49:50 PM PDT

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