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  •  Come on now (5+ / 0-)

    Not everything is done due to political calculations. Manchin may not be a liberal, but that doesn't mean he isn't principled in his beliefs.

    (-9.38, -7.49), Blood type "O", libertarian socialist, KY-01, "When smashing monuments, save the pedestals. They always come in handy." — Stanisław Lem

    by Setsuna Mudo on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 05:36:31 AM PDT

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    •  I'm a cynical person (13+ / 0-)

      But I really did not mean it as a slight.

      I think pols SHOULD listen to their constituents.

      •  Hear! Hear! (4+ / 0-)
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        Armando, suka, YucatanMan, 3goldens

        A great many war crimes and "regular" crimes have been committed, not to mention countless lies told, in the last few years because our "elected leaders" have not listened to their constituents.

        In an ideal world, we would have elected other persons to represent us and kicked these crooks to the curb (through special elections or impeachment if the scheduled election day is not close) as soon as we discovered the ones in office were not listening to us.

        Can you imagine our collective shock if we had elected representatives or senators who actually heeded the people who put them in office in the first place?

        [Yes, I know.  Quite a fantasy on my part.  I'm the most cynical person I know, but I also have fantastical daydreams.]

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 06:27:41 AM PDT

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      •  Mm... generally, but... (2+ / 0-)
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        sc kitty, Heart of the Rockies

        if that had been the case, would the Civil Rights Act of 1964 have actually passed?  After all:

        A half century ago, polls found strikingly similar results with regard to civil rights. In spite of gaining the approval of some 55% of Americans in the spring of 1954, five years later a majority believed that the Supreme Court’s landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education “caused a lot more trouble than it was worth.” During the 1960s a Gallup Poll found most Americans gradually came to support “racial equality in public places” but a consistent plurality wanted to take a “go slow” approach to racial change. In the South, not surprisingly, Gallup found that 80% of those polled in 1964 disapproved of civil rights legislation.
        Most Americans were also fine with not getting involved in WWII where it was OK for FDR to deny boatloads of Jewish refugees shelter, sending them back to Nazi Germany to their deaths.
    •  Why is supporting your constituents "political"? (0+ / 0-)

      If WV is opposed to strikes, and Manchin tries to reflect the will of his constituents, I hardly find that calculating. I find it to be a professional execution of his duty.

      Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

      by bigtimecynic on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 10:25:58 AM PDT

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