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  •  God can we put this nonsense to bed? (0+ / 0-)

    Enough with the CT.  I would recommend reading Juan cole and look at some of the financial times coverage from the time before and after the attack.  In fact, Ghouta was already and active battlefield where conventional weapons had failed to dislodge or slow rebel advances on the capital.  The Assad military was largely tied up around Homs and the rebels had been taking advantage for some time before the attack.  The attacks in fact are reported to have killed 46 rebel fighters.   So, yes, Assad had a significant gain here, even without considering the obvious psychological value of gassing civilians supportive of the rebels.  So, no, the "Assad had no reason" theory is woefully misinformed and needs to go away now

    Finally, those who are pausing the notion that Obama (and France and Germany) are all lying about their intelligence must confront the fact that Obama has consistently rejected calls to intervene for the last two years.  Germany is likely not to act this time.  So, the Israel/Obama CT also needs to go away (especially since te intelligence is largely corroborated by eyewitnesses on the ground)

    I hope that helps.  I know it is a lot to keep track of

    •  You know it all (0+ / 0-)

      Any other ideas "need to go away now." Got it.

      A true craftsman will meticulously construct the apparatus of his own demise.

      by onionjim on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 05:22:57 PM PDT

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      •  That is a remarkable position. (0+ / 0-)

        I cany beleive anyome would suggest continuing to repeat things that have been shown to be false, but maybe that is the state of the debate.  I guess Rove was correct.  Fcts dont matter anote.  I think that statements that have been repeatedly debunked should go away, yes.   Otherwise we are in denialist mode.   The idea that Assad had nothing to gain is demonstrably false.  Knowing that, why would you suggest people continue to repeat what they know to be untrue?   How is THAT defensible?

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