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  •  I think Sybil has it right. (3+ / 0-)
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    I'm not sure I believe Obama would actually go through with the attacks if Congress failed to authorize it.

    He's got a hard sell, so simultaneously signifying that he'd be willing to back down undermines the substantive debate that needs to be had regarding maintenance of international norms.

    We'll all know for sure soon enough anyways...  I've got a feeling Congress won't pass it.

    Education is the progressive discovery of our own ignorance. -Will Durant

    by Blue Dream on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 07:58:57 AM PDT

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    •  Try this again... (2+ / 0-)
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      He is maintaining his options here.  

      Which is actually a wise decision on his part.  One of the better decisions he's made since he blew it by publicly drawing that red line a year ago.

      Also, as a historical reference, Clinton got authorization for the Kosovo strikes from the Senate and immediately went in before the House voted.  

      The House will not pass Obama's authorization right now.  The Senate might.  If the Senate does, he's probably going to go forward with strikes quickly betting that it will go "as planned" and hope that the House follows later with an approval or not - that is what Clinton did.

      •  I can see this happening, (1+ / 0-)
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        inclusiveheart

        I can also seem him doing it if the Senate doesn't approve but the House has yet to. Either way, as has been pointed out the discussion happening now is a War Powers Act discussion and back and forth between him and Congress.

      •  But Clinton (0+ / 0-)

        didn't broadcast his intention to go in before the House voted.

        The media (some of them actual journalists!) want him to tell the world his plans.

        Tell Assad we're coming no matter what congress says, tell the rest of the world, then it's all a farce - I mean it's NO QUESTION a farce.

        But Obama's not going to tell us, either way.

        I think if the international community comes on board, then the story changes completely.

        •  What do you mean Clinton didn't (2+ / 0-)
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          broadcast his intention to go in before the House vote?  He broadcast his intention to go in when he called for the votes.  He also had a very public dispute with Colin Powell in the run up to that which ultimately led to Powell's resignation.  The House Republicans were staunchly opposed to action in Kosovo.

          •  This is different (1+ / 0-)
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            Clinton worked with the world community, including Russia, to try to stop Milosevic diplomatically.

            Milosevic said no.

            So he went to congress with this in his back pocket.  The Senate backed him.

            Did he know the House would not?  I'm guessing yes but we don't know.

            In fact the House voted weeks later, and refused to fund a ground war, which was not on the table, and in the end - I just looked this up - they tied on the question of authorizing force - they never authorized the operation, although they did end up funding the operations that took place.

            If the world was watching an ongoing genocide, united and ready to react after exhausting diplomacy, and Boehner was off somewhere getting a tan for the next several weeks, and the Senate authorized force, my guess is that Obama would go in without authorization from the House.

            He may still do that.

            But he would more likely do that if he comes home with the world's backing and cooperation in an intervention in Syria.  

            With Kosovo, the world was united in its condemnation of Milosevic, and it was a NATO operation.

            You are right, Clinton was much more open about what was going on because of that backing - the world was ready to go.  Without that, Obama is in a much more precarious position if the decides to go without congressional approval.

            I still don't back intervention.  

            •  I am not making any attempt to back (1+ / 0-)
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              JVolvo

              intervention in this discussion.  Just saying that there is potential from the domestic side that a pro Senate vote with or without a House vote might be viewed as an open door to the Obama Administration with respect to strikes.

              I understand that Clinton had NATO, also.  But I am not entirely certain that this White House is as sensitive to or concerned with that nuance from this historical example.

              Anyway, we'll see what happens.  I am more and more convinced that this White House is intent on doing whatever they want regardless of public opinion.

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