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  •  Can't change his spots. (14+ / 0-)
    There are a lot of things happening... In the mix, you have people who really disagree honestly, then you have others with hidden agendas, trying to stand up for the status quo, you have people disrupting things on purpose, etc.
    Let me repost the rules on this
    15. Unfounded accusations of being paid hacks or zombies
    Charging that a commenter is a paid troll or formerly banned user is a great way to delegitimize a user, and is particularly problematic against new users or those who seldom participate. As noted above, extraordinary claims should require evidence. People are too quick to jump to the conclusion that "the only reason anyone would disagree with me is because they're being paid" and such claims are toxic to debate and are as such, now banned.

    On the other hand, people are REALLY good at sniffing out zombies. So if you think you've got a live one, drop a note to the Help Desk with your supporting evidence and we'll be more quick to research and act on it than if you just leave comments in a thread that we might miss.

    So, either drop a note to the admins, or expect to be called out for violating site rules.  It really is that simple.

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 12:21:09 PM PDT

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    •  Sorry, the threat is meaningless and also (0+ / 0-)

      baseless.  This quote does not violate any site rules:

      There are a lot of things happening... In the mix, you have people who really disagree honestly, then you have others with hidden agendas, trying to stand up for the status quo, you have people disrupting things on purpose, etc.
      In any open blog in the internet you are going to have a mix between honest people and malicious people; that is just an undeniable fact.

      The rule is specifically about accusing a particular user of being a paid hack, etc.  I don't do that.

      So your threat is baseless and empty.

      •  Bullshit (8+ / 0-)
        The rule is specifically about accusing a particular user of being a paid hack, etc.  I don't do that.

        So your threat is baseless and empty.

        Are Sock Puppets Disrupting Daily Kos Discussions
        That is a serious question.  Let me start by asking readers to think about whether, number one, government-corporate propaganda operatives may be in fact acting as "sock puppets" (more about that below) in order to disrupt discussion about important issues (that may challenge their narrative), and number two, if it s possible, how do we go about spotting them and neutralizing them?

        ...

        My contention is that if people argue from a perspective that has been inculcated into them through propaganda, then they're kind of indirect "sock puppets," or perhaps, second layer?  They don't know what they're doing, and therefore are not culpable, or malicious.

        However, there are those who do know full well what they're doing.  Their main motivation is to disrupt, confuse, and derail any discussion on themes that question the ruling class narrative or worldview.

        In that category, there could be opportunists, profiteers, or people who greatly benefit from maintaining the status quo.

        Finally, I think there is enough evidence to conclude that that are indeed agents tasked with creating havoc and confusion in discussion threads related to articles or blogs that could be seen as threatening to the (corrupt) power structure.

        "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

        by Empty Vessel on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 12:38:15 PM PDT

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        •  Now it's getting funny; it truly reeks of (1+ / 0-)
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          desperation, grasping at straws.

          Now you're digging stuff from other diaries, trying desperately to make your allegation stick; failed again.

          Even in that quote there is nothing about accusing any Kossack of being a paid sock-puppet.

          •  You said you "I don't do that" (11+ / 0-)

            I linked to a place where you did.  That's called facts.

            However, there are those who do know full well what they're doing.  Their main motivation is to disrupt, confuse, and derail any discussion on themes that question the ruling class narrative or worldview.

            In that category, there could be opportunists, profiteers, or people who greatly benefit from maintaining the status quo.

            Finally, I think there is enough evidence to conclude that that are indeed agents tasked with creating havoc and confusion in discussion threads related to articles or blogs that could be seen as threatening to the (corrupt) power structure.

            Profiteers without profit, and agents who work for no pay for no agency?  Hmmm.

            "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

            by Empty Vessel on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 12:47:17 PM PDT

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            •  Well Empty Vessel, fwiw (2+ / 0-)

              I believe the diary referenced was posted prior to the current iteration of the DK rules. But I haven't checked timestamps.

              In this particular case, Ray's claim that "I don't do that" could be interpreted as a statement of present fact, avoiding reference to past actions.

              In general, I have to give Ray full points for being very good at staying just inside the established boundaries.

              I also have to acknowledge that a good number of critical comments posted in Ray's diaries attack perceived claims made by Ray, which are actually very well-crafted suggestions, not explicit claims.

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