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  •  bombing won't solve anything (8+ / 0-)

    It rarely does, and this won't be an exception.

      Right now, that is the only point worth considering.

    None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

    by gjohnsit on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 10:24:36 PM PDT

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    •  assad is a monster (3+ / 0-)
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      we must bomb. ask questions later.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Fri Sep 06, 2013 at 10:26:54 PM PDT

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    •  What if there was a 30-50 percent chance (3+ / 0-)
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      that a targeted military strike would deter Assad from ordering another chemical attack? What if that strike furthermore made it also somewhat less likely that another dictator decides to pull out his chemical weapons from off the shelf to use them?

      What potential benefit is derived from doing nothing?

      •  The problem is that your "what if" (0+ / 0-)

        isn't 30-50%. It's somewhere in the range of 0% to nil.

          Anyone willing to massacre his own people by the thousands who were only protesting for great civil liberties (this is before the actual war started), isn't going to be phased by some air strikes.

        None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

        by gjohnsit on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 09:27:05 AM PDT

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        •  A zero deterrence value would mean (0+ / 0-)

          the missile strikes were completely useless. After 12 years of constant practice, I think it's fair to assume that are military has gotten fairly good at hitting the things they want to hit.

          I don't think it's reasonable to assume military strikes will have no cost on Assad's regime whatsoever. We'll get some of his hardware at least, which will make it harder for him to fight his civil war.

          Maybe the likelihood of deterrence isn't 50 percent, but it certainly isn't zero.

          •  All evidence aside (0+ / 0-)
            After 12 years of constant practice, I think it's fair to assume that are military has gotten fairly good at hitting the things they want to hit.
            Oh, we are good at putting a bomb in the location we want to put it. However, we are just as bad as ever when it comes to knowing what it is that we are blowing up.

             Sure, we will blow up some Syrian weaponry, but that won't make a bit of difference as to Assad's motivations. More importantly, there is a cost involved. Besides blowing up a bunch of innocent civilians in the process, and most likely making the civil war even worse, there is a political cost for us.

            None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

            by gjohnsit on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 10:43:40 AM PDT

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            •  You make a couple of assumptions (0+ / 0-)

              You assume what we do won't make any difference to Assad. Your evidence?

              You also assume we will kill civilians. Your evidence?

              •  My evidence (0+ / 0-)

                that we will kill civilians is that historically we've killed civilians every time we've bombed.
                   To make the assumption that we won't kill civilians means you have to assume that this time "will be different". Is that what you are saying?

                None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. -Johann von Goethe

                by gjohnsit on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 08:03:35 PM PDT

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      •  What if a US military strike made a 30% prob (1+ / 0-)
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        of a significant chemical Weapons attach on crowds of US civilians in NYC, Chicago or a college football stadium?

        After a US attack the situation does not magically end.

        The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

        by nextstep on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 10:03:04 AM PDT

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