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  •  Hard to imagine any other tool, device, or hobby (11+ / 0-)

    that could kill this many children every week and not get banned.  

    I realize that motor vehicle accidents take a high toll.  But at least driving has a recognizable daily necessity for most citizens.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 03:53:12 PM PDT

    •  Every day about 25 children under 18 are shot, (9+ / 0-)

      of which almost 4 die - EVERY SINGLE DAY. This is based on the 10-year average from 2001-2010.

      And you are absolutely right, only about 1/3 of the population owns, and thus I presume they benefit, guns; but well over 90% of the population benefits from vehicular travel (children may not drive or own cars, but they are taken to school and many other places). Yes, we must do better on vehicular deaths, but we are not even trying with guns.

      “In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it … we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations.” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

      by DefendOurConstitution on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 03:59:18 PM PDT

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    •  Our level of traffic violence is also intolerable (4+ / 0-)
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      We accept a high level of fatalities and injuries on the road, but other countries with lots of cars don't have nearly the death rates we do.  The UK has 2.75 road fatalities per 100,000 population; we have 12.5 per 100,000.

      Just as we refuse to take guns seriously as a safety problem, we also don't take traffic safety very seriously.

      •  Agreed. (3+ / 0-)
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        Aggressive, unpleasant driving is the norm.  I wish cops would ticket for tail-gating, lane-hopping, and other risk-elevating behaviors.  

        I did a quick lookup on child traffic deaths.  According to 2003 data, an average of 6 children under 14 die each day and about 700 injured.   http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/...

        So guns are killing at least half as many kids as cars are.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 04:25:31 PM PDT

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      •  We also need to look at (1+ / 0-)
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        greenearth

        sales of 200 mph "crotch rockets" that are killing our youths. Anyone with a few bucks can walk right in to a dealer and ride out with something akin to a hand grenade. Japan banned the sale of them in their own country at one time.

        The Job Killing Republican Party is directly responsible for the Great Bush Recession.

        by earthling1 on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 05:32:56 PM PDT

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      •  Use a better metric (2+ / 0-)
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        I think the proper measure of traffic-fatality rates is deaths per vehicle-mile, not per vehicle. Vehicle-caused deaths generally tend to occur when the vehicles are being driven, after all, and there's a difference between how much Americans and Britons drive in a given year.

        To bring this back to guns, I wish there was a similar more exact metric there. For one thing, we could measure the rate of accidents not against the total amount of guns in the country but against the amount of guns known or reasonably estimated to be owned or possessed by private citizens, thus excluding guns owned by police agencies from the total, since they're generally not going to be used in a way that would lead to a home gun incident like many of those here.

        •  It's a difficult stat. (0+ / 0-)

          the problem with "vehicle miles" as a denominator is that not all vehicle miles are equivalent. Some are clearly much higher-risk than others.

          To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

          by UntimelyRippd on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 08:14:28 PM PDT

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        •  Interesting thought, but vehicle-miles (0+ / 0-)

          strikes me as problematic in that the wide-open spaces of the interstate highways have a much lower accident rate than in-town driving, full of congestion and intersections.  

          Perhaps person-hours inside vehicles would be a step towards your goal.  It's true that the proportion of citizens who rely on public transit and rarely enter an automobile, would skew the accident rates.  

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 08:35:06 AM PDT

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    •  Gun deaths increasing, traffic deaths decreasing (5+ / 0-)
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      Gun deaths will outnumber traffic deaths pretty soon, if they don't already. Wikipedia says there were 33,883 in 2009. List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_in_U.S._by_year

      Gun deaths were around 30k per year then. The gun industry does a good job in making it hard to get accurate statistics. My guess is that gun deaths have already passed traffic deaths, but we won't have good statistics for 2013 until around 2018.

    •  And we regulate driving heavily. (3+ / 0-)
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      Every aspect of driving is subject to regulation.  The way cars are manufactured, who can get a license, how cars may be used . . . the list goes on.

      There is no similar regulatory regime for guns, despite the fact that they are infinitely more lethal than automobiles.  

      "Ça c'est une chanson que j'aurais vraiment aimé ne pas avoir écrite." -- Barbara

      by FogCityJohn on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 05:33:14 PM PDT

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