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  •  Not as racist as it used to be (0+ / 0-)

    I understand where you're making your argument although if you compare Utah to say the 1950's, it's less racist now.  The state though has a ways to go and is very conservative even so.

    The problem is, Utah is a very secluded state and it has to do with how the Mormon community has kept it over the many years.  It took the Mormons a long time to embrace race and welcome different races of people to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

    Even now.  The state has a ways to go.

    •  I would say that the "racists voted against Love" (0+ / 0-)

      is a false argument. Mormons like fellow Mormons, even if they're of a different ethnicity. A growing number of Mormons are Hispanic and of African descent (both African-American and recent immigrants/residents of Africa). And everyone knew that both Mia Love and Jim Matheson were Mormons.

      I think the factor was moderate Mormons (who didn't want a Tea Party footsoldier in Congress) and Latino voters (who like Matheson). Perhaps the Libertarian got a bit of the racist vote (because those same racists you're claiming caused Love's defeat are probably conservative enough that Jim Matheson wasn't an option), but I doubt it.

      I'm not saying Mormons aren't racist anymore, but when both candidates are Mormon, I think it's less of a factor. Let me put it this way; if Obama had been Mormon, I don't think he would've gotten as low a vote as he did in Utah, even though he'd still be a black guy. But because he was a prominent Democrat who was an ethnic minority, and moderate Mormon voters didn't identify with him (as they could with Love's religion), that's part of why he lost so very badly.

      Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

      by Gygaxian on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 03:57:36 PM PDT

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      •  Well, Obama never really campaigned in Utah (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't ever recall a single event where Barack Obama ever set foot in Utah.  Not saying by devoting some time to campaigning in the state would have made much of a difference for Obama but there are a few chunk of Democrats and liberals in Salt Lake City.  One campaign event in SLC would have been better than nothing.

        •  Well of course (0+ / 0-)

          But my point was that because Mia Love was Mormon, it's less likely that race was a factor. I'm sure that there's quite a few racists still in Utah. But they don't see Mormon minorities the same as non-Mormon minorities. Much like Republicans saw Allen West in Florida as "one of the good ones", conservative (the most likely to be racist) Mormons in Utah probably saw Mia Love as "one of the good ones" because she is a Mormon. So race probably wasn't a factor there.

          Incidentally, Luz Robles is also Mormon, as is Chris Stewart.

          Leftist Mormon in Utah, Born in Washington State, live in UT-04 (Matheson).

          by Gygaxian on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 10:27:46 PM PDT

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          •  Mormon faith is a minority in itself (1+ / 0-)
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            The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (and my mother told me this because she grew up in Ogden, UT and her mother's family dated to one of the first groups of settlers in UT) reached out to minority races because the community becoming more of a minority and so it reached out to Blacks, Hispanics, etc. as a means of having them join the church.  In many ways, Mormons are more conservative by nature.

            On the other hand, we have Senator Tom Udall from New Mexico who is an outstanding progressive Democrat and he's Mormon.  Pete Ashdown, the guy who should have been nominated for 2012 U.S. Senate Candidate in Utah (also progressive Democrat) is Mormon.  Hell, even Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is Mormon.

            For Mia Love, my sense is that she's been charismatic and likable and that speaks volumes to Mormons who decided to support her.  In fact, I'm sure the majority of people who supported Love (and not all people who live in Utah are Mormon) because of political views in general and also the tone which she brought in outreach.  Certainly Love didn't pull a Louie Gohmert or Michelle Bachmann.

          •  By the way, I'm talking about in past decades (0+ / 0-)

            That the Mormon community started to reach out to Blacks and Hispanics.

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