Skip to main content

View Diary: Bill Moyers on Income Gap in America (164 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  It's like the Rust Belt 30 years ago. (4.00)
    I grew up in Akron "Rubber Capital of the World" in the 60's and 70's while all the factories were closing. Many of my friend's parents lost theit jobs (I lived in a blue-collar part of town), and it was almost impossible to raise money for the school. I had to leave town myself to find a decent job.

    Why were the factories in Akron (and throughout the Northeast/Midwest) closing? One major reason was that they were building new factories in Tennessee, North Carolina and other Southern states because those places did *not* have strong unions. (There were obviously others I'm not going into right now).

    Thanks to the business community propaganda and a compliant media, many of us (at the time I was, unfortunately, one of them) *blamed* the unions almost exclusively for the debacle that hit just about every major industrial city. And the Southerners were essentially no help. The supported national anti-union policies. They refused to organize themselves. And the states supported a "business-friendly" climate that allowed companies to avoid costly environmental protections, worker protections, or anything that might reduce corporate profits.

    People laughed at Cleveland when the Cuyahoga River caught fire. But it was massive levels of pollution and environmental damage that allowed the river to catch fire. The North learned the costs of letting factories run rampant. The South never did.

    And now the factories are being off-shored where the cost of labor (and environmental compliance) is even less, for even more corporate profite.

    Sorry, but it's hard for us to feel sympathy for them, when they had none for us.

    Hopelessly pedantic since 1963.

    by admiralh on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 09:54:30 AM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    •  I hear you (4.00)
      but I think we won't get anywhere unless we realize something.

      I attended a talk by two Iraqi union labor leaders on Sunday night. People you might expect not only to not feel sorry for us, but to actually hate us. But they don't. In fact they were calling for Iraqi union solidarity with American workers arrested several weeks ago in Alaska in a fight with a cruise line. A story I was completely unaware of!

      As one said, through their translator,

      "Issues of working people are not issues of one country, but the concern of all people."

      We could learn a lot from those brave Iraqi workers. With today's infinitely mobile capital, I think it's a lesson we need to take to heart.

      •  That's quite a thoughtful quote (4.00)

        I understand it.
        You understand it.

        Why can't those Southerners understand it?

        It's really telling that we would have a greater solidarity with people half-a-world away, across barriers of culture, religion, and language, than we we do with some of our fellow Americans.

        No matter. The China situation cannot last. I won't go into details here (it's too long), but read Jared Diamond's "Collapse". It's vital that we create a sustainable, and essentially self-sufficient society. Otherwise we go the way of the Mayan's.

        Hopelessly pedantic since 1963.

        by admiralh on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 10:37:47 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  excuse me, but that "them" that (none)
      you speak of is "us" - ME - and debraz and dalenc and others.

      AND, for the "uneducated" on the board, north carolina has ALWAYS been the most liberal southern state - to generalize and wish for the eonomic destruction of that state is stupid, ignorant and shortsighted.

      if people want to polarize this nation, then fine - issues like gay marriage and religion will trump intelligent thought.  it is ONLY when the nation pulls together to help ALL of the citizens that we succeed.

      i am highly offended by the marginalization of people because of political difference.  we USED to be a nation where we could engage in discourse and convince people of the rightness of our ideas.  when the democrats decide that those ideas are no longer worth explaining and fighting for - rather it is "us against them" - then we might as well roll up our democracy and go home... if there is a "home" left to go to...

      War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength. Long Live Oceana!

      by edrie on Tue Jun 21, 2005 at 11:55:00 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site