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  •  And I'm freaking close to hide rating THIS shit (5+ / 0-)
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    pollbuster, Lepanto, Chi, Miss Blue, Pinto Pony

    as a personal attack.

    most kids are NOT lazy.

    •  I didn't say most (3+ / 0-)
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      chicago minx, SuetheRedWA, kalmoth

      But some certainly are. He's right about the phones as well; when I was teaching, I was always catching kids with (and confiscating) the stupid things.

      Of course, it's not just kids. Witness McCain playing poker on his phone...

      •  OK, then - define "a lot" numerically (2+ / 0-)
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        pollbuster, Chi

        In common usage, when one says "a lot" about something, the first thing that springs to mind is not a minority of that particular thing.   Ergo, "most" is almost implicit in saying "a lot"

        And if kids are not paying attention, do you blame them what with the mindnumbing "teach to the test" shit that has taken over schools of late under the purview of the people this diarist has voted for . . . (and Obama, too, of course).

        •  If I meant a majority (1+ / 0-)
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          I would say a majority.  If I had to pick a number, I'd say probably around 15% are lazy, which seems like a lot to me.

          As to why kids don't pay attention? There are many reasons:

          - bad teachers
          - uninvolved parents
          - not enough food/sleep
          - lack of interest in the material
          - teaching to the test (as you mentioned - I don't think I ever met a teacher with a positive opinion of high-stakes standardized tests)
          - laziness
          - hormones

          Most teachers do their best, within the constraints laid on them by the administration and the government, so make the material engaging and keep students involved. While there are certainly exceptions, the vast majority of teachers are committed to helping students learn. Unfortunately, too many people view teachers as no more than babysitters who should be magically forcing students to learn, regardless of what support they might be getting outside of school hours.

          •  So 85% are hard working, in your estimate, and you (2+ / 0-)
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            Sue B, Miss Blue

            want to dis the entire system due to the approximately 1 out of 7 that aren't?

            Just trying to get a handle on the math involved!

          •  I disagree with the whole "failing public schools" (4+ / 0-)
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            Roadbed Guy, wmspringer, bmcphail, jbsoul

            Underfunded schools in high poverty areas aren't getting the high test scores that wealthy suburban schools get.
               Some of this is due to resources. Some is due to the social and cultural environment and is beyond the ability of the education system to address.
               Comparing our schools to those in other countries is biased by the fact that many countries use tests to sort students at age 16, so only the college bound continue on. And many countries don't test in the whole country.
               Discount the US scores for poverty and American students do as well as anyone else.

      •  Some are, some aren't (2+ / 0-)

        My son, god love him, used to be sort of lazy and now he has turned over a new leaf in the past year.  My daughter is very conscientious with schoolwork and extracurricular stuff but very lazy at home.  I work in a school district and have great hopes for the millennial kids, who in my experience are aware, sweet, lively kids.  Hard to generalize, at any rate.

        tell mr. godot I'm walking the dog

        by chicago minx on Sat Sep 07, 2013 at 08:34:55 PM PDT

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