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  •  Yes, not sure it's really a good thing though, the (0+ / 0-)

    world still does need an engaged US on some level at least

    •  Maybe the world does and maybe it doesn't. (8+ / 0-)

      The frightening thing would be for the world to find out that it could get along just as well with a US that tried minding its own business.

      •  The frightening thing would be for the world to (0+ / 0-)

        need an engaged US and it not to be willing to engage.

        We tried that after World War I and the results were catastrophic.

        •  If Syria blows apart due to US / Russian (7+ / 0-)

          confrontation or accident, we could very well have a WWIII.

          The best way to reduce the chances of huge wars is not to get into little ones uniquely located to trigger bigger problems.  Syria is one of the worst places.

          The problems after WWI were very much an issue of the harsh and punitive measures imposed on Germany. At the time, the USA was definitely not a global power as we are today, a fact that many people fail to recognize.  The USA couldn't have "kept the world safe" after WWI if we'd wanted to.

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Sun Sep 08, 2013 at 09:52:03 PM PDT

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      •  Well, this is not the only (4+ / 0-)
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        way for America to be engaged. Or, is it? It may be what we have evolved to but it isn't what we were created to be - not by a long shot.

        Keep constant watch on your mind. - Dalai Lama

        by redstella on Sun Sep 08, 2013 at 07:50:43 PM PDT

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    •  Engaged doesn't (10+ / 0-)

      necessarily equal bombing. Just sayin'.

    •  Doesn't matter what the world needs or doesn't (1+ / 0-)
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      need.
      America has been isolationist except after WWII and that is what we are returning to.
      Americans' can't even identify Syria on a map, much less give a damn about what goes on there.  The world will have to make due without an engaged America.  And maybe it will be better off, the Chomsky left has always maintained that, so now we'll see.

      We know that the first fallout of a withdrawn America is that Assad will get a pass for the gassing he's done, but the world is demanding that he get that pass, so be it.

      •  America was relatively small as a world power (4+ / 0-)
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        and relatively weak until after WWII.  There are quite a few reasons the USA was isolationist, one of them being that there were other large powerful empires in the world prior to WWII.

        Oftentimes, people think that the USA should have been a certain way long ago, forgetting that our really big move into the global arena only happened after WWII due to our massive increase in military power during the war. Add in the decimation of other global powers (and the rise of the USSR) and we get the situation we've become accustomed to... but forget didn't always exist.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Sun Sep 08, 2013 at 09:55:05 PM PDT

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    •  That's a story we've told ourselves since (5+ / 0-)
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      World War II so that our interference in other nations can be justified to... ourselves.

      We've deposed more democratically elected presidents and leaders, installed more dictators, established more widely flung military bases and thrust our military in more "engagements" in more nations than any other Empire on earth.

      And now that we've thrown off the pretense of Constitutionally-guaranteed rights, the Geneva Conventions or international law, there's really no excuse not to refer to us as an Empire.  

      But we're an Empire in decline.  Perhaps it is time for other nations to shoulder more of the burden of "engaging" the world.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Sun Sep 08, 2013 at 09:49:19 PM PDT

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