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  •  How strange. (15+ / 0-)

    "Republicans are the party that says that government doesn't work, then they get elected and prove it."-- PJ O'Rourke

    by nocynicism on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 02:55:58 AM PDT

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    •  What part of this do you find strange? (3+ / 0-)
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      by Roiling Snake Ball on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 04:35:28 AM PDT

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    •  I don't think it's strange... (2+ / 0-)
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      Maybe unusual or more accurately rare.  Why does everybody think that this life in this reality is your only opportunity?  What is wrong with the belief that what was meant to be was meant to be?

      Compare this medical technological age with 50 or 100 years ago.  The fact of the matter is that today we cure and save lives today that we couldn't then.  But our societal norm is that everyone must live as long as humanly possible.  But why?

      I am not cold hearted or unfeeling, I am looking at this through a spiritual lense.  What was your purpose during this lifetime?  Why does everyone think that living their life the longest is what was meant to be or supposed to be?

      •  Death isn't spiritual. (11+ / 0-)

        I object to this romantic idea of death. It is seldom quick, and seldom painless. The body fights to live, so death comes slowly, and it generates lots of pain, to urge you to take care of your body. I know that even that idea is appealing to some people. But plenty of others are pretty surprised that Death is not a gentle angel.

        It's not about the hundred people whose minds you can't change. It's about the two people you empower. ~ Beth Ditto

        by dejavu on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 07:46:32 AM PDT

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        •  And while you're suffering... (7+ / 0-)

          (and that could be years) your loved ones have to watch you suffer. While they attempt to care for you - because you'll be dependent on them for everything as you weaken. Even bathroom functions.

          I guess it's okay if you live alone, with no friends, family or pets. Then it's your business how you suffer and die. Probably in the cold and dark, because the city has turned off your electricity and gas for non-payment.

          Still, someone has to clean up the mess afterwards.

          •  As someone who worked with the poor and elderly, (6+ / 0-)

            this is very true.

            Death is very personal to the dying, but very public & painful to the caregivers and survivors.

            I've had more than one Repub & Libertarian use this argument about self determination when it comes to healthcare. One can avoid healthcare their entire lives. The problem with that logic is you can't clean yourself to prevent disease spreading from your dead body to the community, nor can you bury yourself.

            People who hate Obamacare should read about the Plague sometime & see why avoiding healthcare is a selfish and bad idea.

            Nature created the human race, but humans created racism.

            by GrannyOPhilly on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 09:33:54 AM PDT

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          •  some cultures do not see it as a burden to take (1+ / 0-)
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            care of ones family...it is seen as an opportunity to payback a mom or dad. In fact in some cultures it is very dishonorable to ask someone else to do it or complain about it....but those cultures I guess are more poor than ours...or are they?

            I would love to clean up after my dad right now, hes been gone 30 years...miss him dearly...but I am sure he does not miss the pain.

        •  death can be spiritual, even when painful (4+ / 0-)

          i fear the pain that will come before death more than i fear death itself

          i have seen a fair amount of death for someone who is not in the medical profession and it is so rarely quick and painless.  people for whom Death is a gentle smiling blond angel named Andrew are rarer than hen's teeth

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          by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 08:38:23 AM PDT

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      •  my thought is to touch as many lives as one can & (1+ / 0-)
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        transmit ones uniqueness (both directions)....why should I not take care of myself and seek proper medical treatment for others sake is this consciousness of so little value/worth...it seems rather selfish and barbarous  beyond a good selfishness to pretend to know that my grandchild great or Great-great find time spent with my old arse more valuable than the rarest large diamond?

        Seems our concept of value is so skewed the human species is doomed if one has to explain this idea of time spent with other humans or alone in meditation has VALUE. Neither would I stop someone who possessing full mental/emotional faculties decides to not have chemo or such.

        Sick sad world really...maybe I am wrong. Maybe.

        Steve Jobs' last word come to mind, "Oh wow, oh wow."

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