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  •  Yayyyyyyyyy!! (2+ / 0-)
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    will focus all this discussion on chemical weapons and enable the President to achieve his twin objectives of deterring the further use of chemical weapons in Syria and reinforcing the international norm against such weapons.
    Once that is out of the way, I can count on Obama/Congress to discuss, do something about stopping Assad's use of conventional weapons, right?

    After all, his use of conventional weapons has killed what? eighty times more people than the sarin gas used? and it's safe to say those weapons will continue to be used after this all blows over... unless we stop them.

    "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

    by Superpole on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 03:52:16 PM PDT

    •  The number killed by Assad (5+ / 0-)

      are largely media fabrications. We keep hearing the implication  that the 100,000 killed are all attributed to Assad. That this number includes the tens of thousands killed by the rebels is ignored. That's how propaganda works.

      We are given numbers on the gassing that have been not been confirmed by any credible independent research. We are given the spin that Assad was the only one responsible, yet no one is giving us any real evidence.

      We now live in a nutty world where our government can spin anything to a greedy pro-war media, and no one can really gives us facts on anything since it's all classified materials. Can a country be real a democracy when all those in decision making authority can hide behind an obscene classification system that keeps the truth from everyone.

      War is costly. Peace is priceless!

      by frostbite on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 07:46:34 PM PDT

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      •  It was Assad (8+ / 0-)

        that decided to react to peaceful protests with a brutal crackdown, which resulting in the forming of the Free Syrian Army. so, yes Assad is responsible for ALL the deaths.

        •  It was Obama (2+ / 0-)
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          that encouraged regime change in Syria way back in 2011, which is like, what, a good way to win friends and influence people?

        •  Its mind-blowing that the "left" is acting as (4+ / 0-)

          shills and apologists for one of the worst mass murderers in decades.
          I have no problem with people who are against the use of force, but let's have a reality based discussion.

          You can't make this stuff up.

          by David54 on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 06:44:36 AM PDT

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          •  It is entirely predicatable, though. (2+ / 0-)
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            And not because the Left is especially evil. Because of human nature.

            The vast majority of left-wingers made excuse after excuse for Stalin and Mao as well. And of those who didn't, a good proportion was made up of Trotskyites and others whose criticism was based more on blind faith in a competing form of leftism than on reason.

            Still, the non-left has no reason to gloat or preen. "No enemies under the red flag" is a type of thinking that extends far beyond red flags. It can also be found as the blue wall, the tendency of cops to lie and cheat and steal and even murder to protect one of their own from accusations they know are perfectly justified. It's what makes people battle each other, and sometimes kill, for the interests of a soccer team.  

            People naturally group up, and they often do it very carelessly. And once they do throw in their lot with a group, their capacity for independent thought is severely compromised. As long as political movements are composed of real people rather than saints, this problem will always occur.

            "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

            by sagesource on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 12:09:02 PM PDT

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        •  Are the mercenaries that are now in Syria (1+ / 0-)
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          really rebels? It would seem to me that no one should get a free pass on terrorism on civilians. It makes no sense, to me, to blame Assad for everything, to me, that only leads to support for a bigger terrorist war with ever more powerful weaponry.

          War is costly. Peace is priceless!

          by frostbite on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 08:38:57 AM PDT

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      •  Can a country function if everything (2+ / 0-)
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        is in the open? In poker you don't show everyone all your cards.

        Sometimes a bluff requires a lot of window dressing to be taken as credible.

        I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

        by samddobermann on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 04:34:12 AM PDT

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