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  •  Credit for this latest development can be (12+ / 0-)

    attributed to all the people in this country who have voiced their voice against war on Syria. Members of the House have taken the anti-war Syria poll number seriously. With support for war going down Obama and Congress are reconsidering their options.

    I think that Putin should get credit for pushing this idea forward. This makes it more difficult for the pro-war crowd to sell this propaganda to the public. But it's only one element.

    It will be surprising if this proposal that Putin has pushed onto everyone will satisfy the powerful pro-war forces in America. In my opinion even if Assad meets all UN requirements the US will not be happy about foregoing war. There will be simply be new demands that will be impossible for Assad to meet and war will follow.

    Certainly the MIC will not accept peace without a fight. I was also reading today where the AIPAC will be sending 250 pro-war advocate to lobby Congress. We know quite well the history relating to the compliance of most in Congress to the wishes of AIPAC. And like the MIC, that lobby has not given up on war.

    War is costly. Peace is priceless!

    by frostbite on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 07:25:42 PM PDT

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    •  Why aren't we being bombed for war crimes (2+ / 0-)
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      and torture in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib?  The hypocrisy is tangible.  PetroDollar.  Google it.  :(

      •  This is irrelevant.... (2+ / 0-)
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        Gary Norton, Onomastic the edge of dishonesty. Tu quoque, "but you did it too," has been recognized as a logical error for the past two thousand years or so. Evidently, some people still haven't gotten the memo.

        A statement must be judged purely on its content, not on who delivers it. I don't care whether it's from Marx, Jesus, or Joe Blow. I don't care what the critic "deserves." That's a whole separate issue, and dragging it in here is an obvious red herring. It's perfectly legitimate, for instance, for a Chinese government spokesperson to criticize, oh, the conditions in American prisons. The content of the criticism will be either correct or incorrect (there is a whole spectrum of nuance between these two, as you might imagine), and its origins are irrelevant. Otherwise, you get into the absurd situation where you deny that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west just because you heard that Hitler once said the same thing.

        "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

        by sagesource on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 11:30:58 AM PDT

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    •  The whole fierce push for a war (7+ / 0-)

      was to get Russia to agree to something — anything to stop giving Assad free rein. It had to be a real, credible threat to attack to convince them attack was imminent to get Russia to move. This was suggested to them during the G-20 in Russia weeks ago. It didn't spring up and get ok'd by Syria in a day. This wasn't Putin's idea but if he takes credit it is just fine.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 04:25:36 AM PDT

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    •  I'm calling BS (5+ / 0-)

      Opposition to Obama's initiative had absolutely nothing to do with the turn of events.  Quite to the contrary, it had the effect of undermining it.  It's good that the president was persistent despite many liberals abandoning him on this effort.

      •  The reflexive response of liberals.... (2+ / 0-)
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        ....against violence is far less likely to end in disaster than the reflexive attraction to violent solutions found in many conservatives. It's a good first approximation. But it isn't infallibly correct. Nothing that is "reflexive" is ever right all the time, and a nonviolent outcome can be achieved by means that include threats of violence. Do you seriously think, for instance, that the British would have paid much attention to Gandhi if it hadn't been a choice between him and a revolt that would have left India knee-deep in blood? Dream on.

        "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

        by sagesource on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 11:42:32 AM PDT

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