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  •  Again, they've been able to do this for decades (1+ / 0-)
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    Not A Bot

    E.g. breaking into Ellsberg's therapist's office. The question has always been is it legal. I'm not that concerned with means, but motives and justifications.

    "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

    by kovie on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 09:00:39 PM PDT

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    •  I just can't agree (2+ / 0-)
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      lotlizard, kharma

      Breaking into an office I cannot see as analogous to the data collection abilities that machines can do automatically.  The bugs have been worked out and databases can be copied without a trace.

      And it's only just begun, really.

      Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

      by yet another liberal on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 09:07:19 PM PDT

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      •  But if it's not legal and can be shut down (3+ / 0-)
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        maryabein, Not A Bot, Dumbo

        for that reason, who cares? You're arguing that current technology makes techno-tyranny inevitable and irreversible. In which case, why are we even bothering? But I don't buy it. They're human, they make mistakes, the biggest one being the hubris that they're infallible and untouchable. Um, no.

        "Reagan's dead, and he was a lousy president" -- Keith Olbermann 4/22/09

        by kovie on Mon Sep 09, 2013 at 09:29:22 PM PDT

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    •  The difference being (0+ / 0-)

      Ellsberg was only one guy, not everybody in the world.  And breaking into Ellsberg's psych became cause for Nixon being forced from office, which is heavy consequences.

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