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  •  "a craven failure of statesmanship" (6+ / 0-)

    is a good way of putting it, and actually, it's very generous.

    I notice that he is rationalizing his lack of representation of his constituents too.  And to me, it sounds coached.  I'm sure that the party leadership and committee chairs like Dianne Feinstein are encouraging Senators to focus on their independence from the people who elected them and the people whose voice they are supposed to carry to Capitol Hill.

    "I have always believed that my decisions in public office should reflect my best judgment and what I believe to be the best course for our nation."

    That's just a way that elected officials justify not representing the people in a representative governments and helps them ease their conscience when they put party over the people and put campaign contributions from lobbies over the people.  It's their sell out line.

    I also note that the rest of his letter is full of the same talking points being spewed by Kerry, Obama, Rice, Power.  Just regurgitated.  As a first term senator, it doesn't look good for him.  And he has a partner Senator in NM who has the courage to stand up, so he was in an easier situation than a lot of others in the toxic Senate, but he chose not to stand with him.  

    His vote is particularly important too.  The rumor is, from anonymous White House officials, that Obama might use the Senate vote as his Congressional authority to start bombing Syria and do it before the House gets a chance to vote at all.   You'll note that Boehner and Pelosi have delayed the House vote until next week at the earliest. One of them said it might not happen for two weeks. However the White House was pressuring the Senate to vote ASAP.  

    I think it's likely that Obama plans to start another war on his own authority but also by using the Senate as a faux constitutional measure.  It would make the argument against him a bit more difficult for people who are rightfully noting that he'd be violating the Constitution, international law, the War Powers Act and just about everything else.  His apologists will say "but he DID go to Congress" and the president and the media can try to deceive the public by saying he did go to Congress, etc.  It's just the kind of thing that this president would do.

    So each Senator's vote is of even higher importance because this president is likely to use the Senate as some kind of new Congressional authority and at the same time set a precedent for unitary executive powers, saying that he  can, as one man, take the country to war, using the Senate only in an advice and consent role (reserved for appointments and treaties in the Const. but hey, the Const. lawyer president has his own interpretations dontcha know).  So every Senator's vote is particularly important and if the Senate won't vote for it, there's a good chance Obama would be too skittish about doing this). And since Harry Reid just postponed the Senate vote, it looks like he doesn't have the votes.  Reid and Obama will be depending on the Dems to take us to war.  Every one of them who refuses to do it does a great service to this country.  The junior senator from New Mexico is not one of them, nor is the only senator from New Jersey who is out in front banging the drums of war and paving the way.  A disgrace and not worthy of the trust of the people.


    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 04:33:14 AM PDT

    •  You really wax indignant. Perhaps (0+ / 0-)

      the threat had to be orchestrated carefully to have the desired effect.

      Have you ever thought You didn't know everything?

      When you bluff you have to have all the details in place and totally believable. The chorus of the horrified is a pretty convincing detail.

      You might want to read this diary.

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      You too, dallasdoc.

      I'm asking you to believe. Not in my ability to bring about real change in Washington ... *I'm asking you to believe in yours.* Barack Obama

      by samddobermann on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 05:59:10 AM PDT

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      •  I have/had five Doberman Pinschers. (0+ / 0-)

        They are neither as warlike nor as dumb as you sound, sdd.

        P.S.: I'm a huge Dobe fan as well as an educated peacenik!

        Through thoughts, words and actions, we live the truth we know. -- L. Spencer

        by orlbucfan on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 06:50:39 AM PDT

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    •  I would ask you to think carefully (0+ / 0-)

      about under which circumstances you would support US involvement, including the use of force, to end the Syrian civil war.

      Or do you reject the use of force under any circumstances?  

      For the record, I do not think Obama's proposed course of action will be effective, and therefore don't support it.  I do, however, find it interesting when people reach the tipping point between "stay out of this imperialist adventure" to "we can never allow this to happen again", or at least, "oh well, I can no longer oppose this with the intensity that I used to."

      Not really expecting an answer.. just curious, because it's always interesting to ask someone convinced of a position what it would take to change that position.

      “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

      by ivorybill on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 08:35:37 AM PDT

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      •  No (1+ / 0-)
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        I don't "reject the use of force under any circumstances".

        I think the case being made is full of deceit and the people are not being told what the real story is, though if they really want to know it's being hidden in plain sight, but it takes a lot to know where to find it and who to listen to.


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 02:34:22 PM PDT

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