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  •  If you read the last paragraph in my original post (2+ / 0-)
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    I am not talking about the inevitability of a survelliance state. I am looking for a new paradigm which will make it an obsolete concept.

    If unfettered access to information can become a basis for a new, more rational society, that's the condition I want to see. Surveillance societies, and many other inequitable practices, work to a large extent because information flow is selectively impeded, which is to say that "the government (my employer/my coworker/my doctor/my insurance company, etc.) has information that I don't have and can't get".

    Healthcare becomes more equitable if and when there is open access to data on how costs are set and how variable they are across different providers. Pay scales become more equitable when companies are required to divulge salary information, rather than making it a firing offense to talk about it. I won't even try to go into how financial institutions attempt to limit data access to all but a few employees. I suspect you can come up with more examples than I ever could in this area.

    In almost every instance I can think of, having more data publicly available has been a positive factor in helping people solve problems. In almost every case that I can think of, the initial reaction to the possibility of having that data available has been an extreme negative on the part of the person or entity that was trying to limit access to that data.

    At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

    by serendipityisabitch on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 11:26:30 AM PDT

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    •  You are leaving one extremely important point (2+ / 0-)

      out of your analysis: malevolent intent vs. benevolent intent.

      The argument I present (and I pack up with the reference information) is that profit-seeking corporations have taken control the surveillance state and are using their influence to build dossiers on social justice activists and will eventually use that information to suppress dissent, and as the fascist infrastructure takes hold, the system will transition into a brutal fascistic state enabled by an almost omniscient spying infrastructure.

      As such, the system is malevolent, IMO.

      The argument you make about the usefulness of information technology, especially in the marketplace, is not germane to my argument.  Two separate issues are being conflated there.

      Another important point is adherence to the Constitution.

      •  So, you're saying that the survelliance (1+ / 0-)
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        state is not only inevitable, but already here? I thought you were just decrying my words, saying that they were promoting that outcome.

        At least half the future I've been expecting hasn't gotten here yet. Sigh.... (Yes, there's gender bias in my name; no, I wasn't thinking about it when I signed up. My apologies.)

        by serendipityisabitch on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 11:55:21 AM PDT

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