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  •  You're assuming it was a "gaffe" (8+ / 0-)

    I suspect years from now we will find it was something somewhat less than Kerry "freelancing"

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 05:49:38 AM PDT

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    •  Kerry's performance as SecState puts the 2004 (0+ / 0-)

      presidential election in a new perspective.

      "Toutes les guerres sont civiles, car c'est toujours l'homme contre l'homme... (All wars are civil wars, because it's always brother against brother...)" - Francois Fenelon (1651-1715)

      by Superskepticalman on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 05:55:49 AM PDT

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      •  It may also put the election of 2008 (1+ / 0-)
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        in a different perspective.  Have we seen an inept Kerry in recent weeks?  Or a "loyal" and compliant Kerry willing to carry out the positions and instructions of the administration?

        •  Both. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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          "Toutes les guerres sont civiles, car c'est toujours l'homme contre l'homme... (All wars are civil wars, because it's always brother against brother...)" - Francois Fenelon (1651-1715)

          by Superskepticalman on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 06:25:36 AM PDT

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          •  This conversation is bizarre. (5+ / 0-)
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            It appears that the administration is going to get its core foreign policy goal in Syria - the elimination of the Syrian chemical warfare problem - carried out by Russia, at the expense of its client, Syria, without firing a shot.

            And you two are arguing about whether the Secretary of State is incompetent.

            Just truly bizarre.

            Art is the handmaid of human good.

            by joe from Lowell on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 06:46:01 AM PDT

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            •  You mistake a discussion for an argument. (1+ / 0-)
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              This tells us quite a bit about your approach.

            •  Still flailing about I see. (0+ / 0-)

              Syria won't "lose" in this; Russia will ensure that its client has what it needs in its civil war. And with its C4I intact.

              Obama looks weak regardless of how this turns out. Didn't have to turn out this way.

              "Toutes les guerres sont civiles, car c'est toujours l'homme contre l'homme... (All wars are civil wars, because it's always brother against brother...)" - Francois Fenelon (1651-1715)

              by Superskepticalman on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 06:53:37 AM PDT

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              •  Syria losing its chemical arsenal isn't losing? (2+ / 0-)
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                That's funny, its chemical arsenal has been the cornerstone of its power for the past two decades, and was recently used in a last-ditch effort to stop FSA advances.

                Russia will continue to supply the regime, it's true, just as the Gulf states, Turkey, and the US will continue to back up the rebels. All that changes from three weeks ago is Syria losing its gas bombs.

                But Obama looks weak, because he can't possibly ever succeed at anything, because that would make you have a sad.

                Uh huh.

                BTW, the way you feel the need to lead off with a bitchy slogan - now THAT is a sign of weakness. If you thought your arguments were good enough, you wouldn't feel the need to do that.

                Art is the handmaid of human good.

                by joe from Lowell on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 07:06:22 AM PDT

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                •  Weakness ... right .... (1+ / 0-)
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                  Quoting Tommy Christopher (on Mediaite):

                  Even on MSNBC, the sundry liberal hosts who have been peddling the Iraq comparison to oppose the President have been characterizing the (Accidental?) Kerry Doctrine as a “way out” for the President, or as an “opportunity” that has simply fallen, like manna, from Heaven.

                  This is a bit like calling a royal flush a “way out” of a poker game. If Assad actually does turn over all of his chemical weapons to the United Nations, that result will exceed the wildest dreams of even the most deluded “Obot.”

    •  Agree (1+ / 0-)
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      Everyone seemed to think Obama and company blundered into a congressional showdown over Syria with no backup plan in case Congress said "NO". But maybe something like this was the backup plan.

      You will not be punished for your anger. You will be punished by your anger.

      by mstep on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 06:36:06 AM PDT

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      •  Being stuck on the side of the road with a flat (1+ / 0-)
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        tire and relying on the kindness of strangers is also a backup plan. But only after you're already stuck.

        "Toutes les guerres sont civiles, car c'est toujours l'homme contre l'homme... (All wars are civil wars, because it's always brother against brother...)" - Francois Fenelon (1651-1715)

        by Superskepticalman on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 06:51:06 AM PDT

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