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  •  Inclusion (1+ / 0-)
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    FrankRose
    We are a study group organizing so people can decide for themselves.
    Does this study group in any way attempt to present all sides of the issue, or is it dismissive if not hostile towards the RKBA interpretation (i.e. the one that is the current Supreme Court opinion on the 2nd)?

    If the latter, you're doing great. If the former, then clearly you have a bit of outreach to do...

    Something around 25-40% of gun owners are liberals, depending on which poll you believe. If you are alienating liberals with your position, that makes it that much harder to gain majorities, either in the legislature or at the ballot box. If you do not consider that margin of support to be important, I suggest you get a second opinion from John Morse.

    •  Well the RKBA position (2+ / 0-)
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      is difficult to incorporate in a discussion, given that they object to every proposal, however mild in design.

      I'm not sure what there is to discuss under those circumstances.

      Unlike the RKBA, most liberals, indeed most Americans support increased regulation of firearms.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Wed Sep 11, 2013 at 11:19:16 AM PDT

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      •  That will happen when a 'mild proposal' is (3+ / 0-)

        proposed alongside a gun ban as the President did.

        Particularly when said gun ban is introduced to the Senate by a Senator that has outright stated her support to confiscate each and every firearm in the USA.

        "most Americans support increased regulation of firearms."
        Actually it is virtually 50%-50% & support for gun control has dropped consistently & significantly for the past twenty years
        Hence the ass-whipping (despite a 6-1 spending advantage) in a district that voted for Obama by 19 points and had a significant advantage in registered Dems.....and Dems voting for the recall.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Wed Sep 11, 2013 at 06:35:41 PM PDT

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        •  Patently dishonest (3+ / 0-)
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          What was the turnout?

          I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
          but I fear we will remain Democrats.

          Who is twigg?

          by twigg on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 05:48:07 AM PDT

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          •  Which part? (2+ / 0-)
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            Gun Controllers are failing so hard that they are managing to lose Democratic incumbents in Democratic districts by losing elections in non-election years.
             This is the most surprising & humiliating electoral loss in history. And it happened twice.
            It happened because of policies you support.

            So I can see why you are so defensive.

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 06:27:34 AM PDT

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            •  Math is not defensive (3+ / 0-)
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              What was the turnout?

              We are all well aware of how electoral math works, but if you think you got yourself a victory, knock yerself out.

              I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
              but I fear we will remain Democrats.

              Who is twigg?

              by twigg on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 06:35:37 AM PDT

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              •  Turnout? (2+ / 0-)
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                You mean even with a 6-1 spending advantage....
                Even with half-again more registered Dems than GOPers showing up at the polls.....
                Giron & Morse still couldn't get enough people to give a fuck about them being recalled? Even after Giron & Morse were so kind as to take liberties away from their constituents?
                Shocking. Truly, shocking.

                And, speaking of math: Exactly how much of a fucking turnout would it take for Giron to have overcome a twelve point ass-kicking?
                I'm not even going to bother calling your comment dishonest.
                You just don't know any better....even after reality slaps you upside your head & slaps two Democrats out of office in the most humiliating of manners.

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 07:02:18 AM PDT

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              •  We are expected to ignore the majority of (1+ / 0-)
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                coquiero

                Morse and Giron's colleagues who voted for the same laws and were not targeted for recall.

                We are supposed to forget that the NRA targeted for Senators for recall and only succeeded to recall 2. At BEST that's a coin toss. No better.

                "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                by LilithGardener on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 07:57:32 AM PDT

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                •  The NRA only contributed $985 to the recall (2+ / 0-)
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                  petition.

                  And no reasonable person would call not one, but two successful recalls a 'coin-flip'. Particularly in a state that had never seen so much as a single successful recall petition in its 137 year history.

                  Where are the recalls of people who opposed the gun control measures if this is such a 'coin-flip'?

                  It is pure absurdity to try and spin such humiliating & unprecedented defeats as a tie.

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 08:09:36 AM PDT

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            •  Would you mind clarifying what this means? (3+ / 0-)
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              coquiero, Joy of Fishes, a2nite

              "Gun Controllers" - what exactly do you include in this label?

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 07:51:00 AM PDT

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