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  •  Fortunately the previous administration made (5+ / 0-)

    the world so aware of how pathologically violent we are that the current administration was able to jump on a war-beat bandwagon and have it work for them.

    In other words, the current administration has taken advantage of a very low and bloody bar established by the previous administration. You might consider it adherence to "trickle-down blood diplomacy".

    They have Bush and the neocons to thank for their success really (once again?).


    "We must make our choice. We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." - Louis Brandies

    by Pescadero Bill on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 09:57:31 AM PDT

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    •  Maybe that's it. (4+ / 0-)

      Still, it would be nice to have grown-ups in charge.

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      by dinotrac on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 09:59:52 AM PDT

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      •  This doen't make any sense (3+ / 0-)
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        How would the "grown ups" gotten the chemical weapons out of Assad's hands without firing a shot or having one American die?

        Please explain the best case scenario for your point of view. Did you want Assad to keep his chemical weapons? Did you want American soldiers to die? Did you want American missiles and bombs to blow up the chemical weapons and a bunch of Syrian civilians? What exactly is your best case scenario?

        •  I meant in charge of the US. You've already seen (3+ / 0-)
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          how grown-ups would get chemical weapons out of Assad's hands. Like him or not, Putin qualifies as a grown-up.

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          by dinotrac on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 10:43:26 AM PDT

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          •  Please don't be naive (3+ / 0-)
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            Putin is not making the deal on Assad's chemical weapons out of the goodness of his heart. He is doing it because he was forced to do it by the United States. Because he wants to see Assad stay in power and a US air strike that destroys Assad's air force means the eventual end of Assad's rule.

            So Putin can either:

            #1 Placate the US by brokering a deal for Assad's chemical weapons; or

            #2 Stand by the US destroys Assad's air force to eventually see Assad's rule end (thus forfeiting Russia's Syrian base); or

            #3 Hope that the United States was bullshitting about military intervention and do nothing; or

            #4 Directly involve Russian military forces in protecting or bolstering Assad.

            Those are his choices. All the rhetoric being flung about by Kerry and Obama were about taking option #3 off the table. Once the Russians were convinced that the United States would strike, then they really had no choice.

            •  He's probably doing it so he can insert himself (3+ / 0-)
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              in the middle east to block the agendas of our lunatics who believe they can take over the middle east without any other major power getting in the way.  I'm not saying Obama is one of the lunatics but I'm not sure they were all cleared out of the attic when Bush moved out.

            •  Dude (2+ / 0-)
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              you forgot the picture.

            •  Please don't be naive. (5+ / 0-)

              1. Nobody does anything in international diplomacy out of the goodness of their heart.  You must learn that everybody is trying to get something.

              2. You left out one very important thing that Putin actually did:
              Tell Assad, the United States, and the world that Russia would stand by the Syrian regime.

              3. Not to mention, if the issue went to the UN, have the option to veto any vote before the Security Council.

              4. And -- lest you forget, Obama repeatedly talked about limited strikes that would have no significant impact on the Assad regime or its ability to fight.

              5. While we're talking naivite, It's amusing that you think Putin -- former KGB man that he is -- does not study and understand all of the angles.  Moreso that you imagine him cowering at the prospect of US might.  He has enhanced Russia's international reputation at the expense of the United States, making the administration look silly.

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              by dinotrac on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 12:12:55 PM PDT

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