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  •  consequences (2+ / 0-)
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    elwior, Gurnt

    I imagine that Kerry's thinking more along the lines of having Assad "give up" his weapons and then use them on his people again.

    •  It's the use of language that bothers me (2+ / 0-)
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      elwior, Johnny Q

      It's also common for people with children or pets to say similar things. But the implication is that the punishment that follows misbehaving is somehow a natural result of the misbehavior, which it isn't. Punishment is imposed, not something that just happens.

      •  behavioralism? (2+ / 0-)
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        elwior, Gurnt

        Assad is not a child or a dog.  He's ostensibly the ruler of a sovereign nation.

        I'm not sure what you're getting at here.  You're saying that the US should accept Russian and Syrian assurances in lieu of actual disarmament?

        •  No he is not (1+ / 0-)
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          Johnny Q

          and yet the administration is speaking as if he is.

          •  to a dog or a child (1+ / 0-)
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            Gurnt

            you are right that you cannot punish a dog or a child for behavior because they do not understand that the punishment is connected to their transgression.

            as far as I know, that is not true of adults (thus we make the distinction).

            Assad is an adult.  And as long as he's in control of his faculties he should be able to comprehend the connection between his actions and Kerry's consequences.

            The trade here is that Assad will give up his chemical and biological weapons and pledge to never use them again and Russia and China will agree that should he violate that pledge the UN will act against Assad to stop the war in Syria.  

            In return the US will stand down.

          •  how (1+ / 0-)
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            Gurnt

            by using the word 'consequences'? jesus, come on.

            anyone born after the McDLT has no business stomping around acting punk rock

            by chopper on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 01:49:11 PM PDT

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