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  •  Or maybe for once in my lifetime (7+ / 0-)

    the people of the UK and the US sent a message to their leaders and the leaders were moved by the power of their opposition to war, to give peace a chance.  

    •  Or Obama never wanted war but felt (4+ / 0-)
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      it was his obligation to do something about massive gassing of civilians?

      I'm on a mission! Testing the new site rules.

      by blue aardvark on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 01:12:54 PM PDT

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    •  Did the people of Russia or Syria (3+ / 0-)
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      send a message to their leaders? Because those are the two leaders who backed down.

      I'd like to believe you are right but it doesn't seem to match up with what happened.

      •  I don't care if you spin (0+ / 0-)

        but I'm not dazzled by it.  I don't believe Russia backed down.  I think it pretty much got what it wanted which is to remind the world that it has a role to play in the middle east and the US isn't going to unilaterally rearrange the map.  

        I don't doubt Obama knows this but the neocons can't be reminded too often.

        •  This (2+ / 0-)
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          to remind the world that it has a role to play in the middle east and the US isn't going to unilaterally rearrange the map.  
          And this is why Russia and Syria conceded to getting rid of the CW. They are giving something up, they aren't gaining anything.
          •  Mmm. (1+ / 0-)
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            Russia gains an image of peacemaker. The US enforces the image of intimidator and Syria looks a bit less insane for "seeing the light" and capitulating.

            They all can spin it to their own benefit to some extent. Personally, growing up through the Cold War, I like any positive thing Russia and the USA can accomplish together.

            I maintain the suspicion that the whole thing was laid out from the beginning- Russia's and our part, that is. Cooperation in the best interest of the world as a whole.

            Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by which we arrive at that goal. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

            by Gentle Giant on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 01:37:49 PM PDT

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          •  I think it's a mistake to see this as a zero sum (0+ / 0-)

            game.  The Russians gave up something to get something else.  They blocked a move by the neocon set with some help from the British and American people.  What do they care about Assad's CW?  That's not the long game.  Russians play a long game.  It's chess all right but the game's not over.   I don't know chess but I think Syria is pretty much a pawn in the game and isn't everyone when the major powers play their games?

    •  That's my guess.... (0+ / 0-)

      David Cameron took a hit and at this point, Obama's #s with the Congress don't look good:

      Failure to Publicize Acts of Hatred Only Allows Them to Fester and Metastasize.

      by BoxerDave on Tue Sep 10, 2013 at 01:25:31 PM PDT

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