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  •  well, I'm at least glad to see (0+ / 0-)

    that the futility of diplomacy is finally getting as much coverage as the futility of military strikes.

    We've now set the bar so low that it appears we will claim victory by saying "well, at least we tried."

    Everyone seems to insist we just have to be patient, keep pushing, recognize it will be a long, tough slog. Problem is Americans aren't good at that.   It was easy to get behind the "no war" initiative because the vote for authorization provided quick feedback and realization of your efforts. It was also one over which we as American voters had direct influence. But I'm doubtful Americans and the world will be able to maintain the necessary level of intensity for years as one diplomatic effort after another fails.  We also don't have too much pull with Mr. Putin or Assad should they continue to turn down internationally-supported offers.

    But hey. At least we can give it a try.  Will everyone who was against this military intervention be making the same volume of calls, emails, and town hall visits screaming for more diplomacy?

    •  Some of us asked for diplomacy with those... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...previous phone calls.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Wed Sep 11, 2013 at 02:34:03 PM PDT

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      •  Meteor.... (0+ / 0-)

        But you do acknowledge that the primary purpose of those calls was to avert military intervention as that was the only thing subject to a vote, right?  

        If it somehow becomes clear that military intervention is off the table, I would expect to see the same number of protesters in front of the WH with signs saying "come to the table Assad" "Russia lied about its offer" "out of Syria al qaeda"  "Get back to negotiations Kerry"  "put up or shut up UN" etc.

        Then if I hear that reps are getting calls demanding they hold regular hearings on the status of the diplomatic process, see people at town halls saying the same thing, and hear the media amazed at the level of pushback regarding the the lack of diplomatic results,  I'll believe that people are truly passionate about a negotiated solution.

        •  We know that's unlikely to happen. (0+ / 0-)

          I see some token requests for "more humanitarian aid," but I'm a little disheartened by the apparent lack of empathy for the suffering of the Syrian people. I'm not saying it should be everyone's #1 priority, but I actually saw comments trying to say that 1400 might be exaggerated, and that it was only a few hundred dead like that's no big deal.

          There's a little too much "why do we care," for my taste.

          I totally understand opposing military intervention if you think there are better options. I hope people spend as much time fighting for those options in the future.

          When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

          by PhillyJeff on Wed Sep 11, 2013 at 04:52:41 PM PDT

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          •  The problem is (0+ / 0-)

            that of those opposing intervention, most fall into the "not our problem" category, not just because they couldn't give a crap about Syrian civilians but because of the lack of any imminent threat to their well-being.  I don't think most even care whether there is a diplomatic solution; more like the Sarah Palin "let Allah solve it" attitude.

            Interesting that back in 2011, Ron Paul was the only GOP presidential candidate to not call for an attack on Iran, and who added that any president is obliged to follow the Constitution and go through Congress before attacking the country.  So not only was isolationism not the norm, but I somehow doubt any of those GOP candidates felt going to congress first was necessary.

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