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  •  It's a game of attrition. (6+ / 0-)

    If the Democrats mobilize sufficient new voters to exceed the numbers of older GOP voters, the change can happen awfully fast.

    Après le thé, le déluge. -- Glenn Beck, aka Napoleon XIV

    by mspicata on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 07:50:13 AM PDT

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    •  But as soon as any Democrat wins (18+ / 0-)

      the base starts thinking that everything will be okay, and the crazies return in the off-cycle.  The Democrats need to pound home that Republicanism means more Iraq Wars, more Enrons, more houses repossessed, more health care taken away, more oil spills, and no one to clean them up.  

      •  Americans Get Antsy And Anxious Unless They Hear (1+ / 0-)
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        Lee Greenwood sing "God Bless The USA" every 4 years, so all the GOP has to do is crank up the patriotic icons (and thrown in how America is Judeo Christian, which means yes to guns, no to gays) and there ya have voters voting for the GOP.

        "I think that gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman.” - Arnold Schwarzenegger 2003

        by kerplunk on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 10:25:09 AM PDT

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      •  Well, that's (4+ / 0-)

        the problem we need to solve here, isn't it?  Much of what I sketched for the GOP won't matter a whit if we can energize our voters and keep them that way.

        Après le thé, le déluge. -- Glenn Beck, aka Napoleon XIV

        by mspicata on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:09:22 AM PDT

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        •  Was It Ever Thus? (7+ / 0-)

          A large percentage of Republican leaders and moneymen have always been viscerally committed to a philosophy of money and government from, it seems, the time of their birth, while Liberals seem, for the most part, to be intellectually committed to a group of principles.

          (Excellent analysis/diary, by the way.)

          The memory of Occupy still drives me nuts. A protest that resonated with a huge majority of the country, a slogan that grabbed the hearts of virtually everyone – and a steely, deeply committed determination to be ineffective and fail. A movement that could have carried the day, instead just dribbled away.

          It should be revived by a unified Democratic Party. Now.

          I think we need to add to the idea that Republicans have no hesitation working their five year, ten year, or even forty year plan, but they also work another plan at the same tine: relentless infiltration and undermining in all areas all the time.

          We win a few, such as equal rights in marriage, while they're attacking education twelve different ways from Creationism to Charter schools. They inspire and provoke their followers by controlling talk radio and other media outlets, and those followers go out, on their own, and attack American values at every level.

          We're always caught playing defense. All because their message and the emotional delivery of that message, instigates people of marginal understanding.

          I'm agreeing with everything you wrote, and think you did an exceptional job of observing and thinking. We need to get fired up, and realizing how awfully destructive and wrong and relentless Republicans are is the first step, and it can't be taken too soon or too strongly.

          A Southerner in Yankeeland

          To save your life read "Pity The Billionaire" by Thomas Frank, and "Winner-Take-All-Politics" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson. Then read more books.

          by A Southerner in Yankeeland on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 01:11:41 PM PDT

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          •  Re: OWS - it didn't "just dribble away"... (1+ / 0-)
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            It seems to me it was violently suppressed and crushed, without regard for constitutional rights, in a national, federally coordinated effort, to prevent it from gaining too much momentum and challenging the status quo. The President was forced to co-opt some of the slogans in order to avoid the building backlash and lull the masses back to their stupor. The 1% obviously felt it had the potential for succeeding to force unfavorable policies on them, and that's not what they paid all that money for...

            when I see a republican on tv, I always think of Monty Python: "Shut your festering gob you tit! Your type makes me puke!"

            by bunsk on Sat Sep 14, 2013 at 08:59:15 AM PDT

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      •  What I take from that (0+ / 0-)

        is that while the big D Democrats (like most here) vote in every election we have to large a percentage of small d democrats who are not reliably involved in the political process. How do we change that, realizing that many of these small d dems are NOT watching the political news cycle until there is talk of the next President.

        A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

        by notrouble on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 09:17:39 PM PDT

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    •  I vote in every election (2+ / 0-)
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      mspicata, MadGeorgiaDem

      Always mobilized.
      We need more Democrats like that.
      More of us kossacks voting in Democratic primaries, give more incentive to good people to run for office without having to spend a mint to get the attention of enough of the voting public.

      Censorship is rogue government.

      by scott5js on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 12:31:23 PM PDT

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      •  I would hope that (2+ / 0-)
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        anyone involved enough to be commenting here is not only active enough to vote in every election and primary, but volunteer in them too.

        It's simple. Rather than waiting for the candidate of your dreams to appear, when election time comes around, you find the candidate you feel best about, and make an effort for that person. In the best possible case, you are that candidate.

        While person to person contact is the best election tool there is, hours and hours devoted to door knocking or phone banking are simply not available in some people's lives. But there are other ways to support good candidates, like writing letters to your friends and neighbors, donating if you can afford it (and even small donations help), or having a small-donation fundraiser in your home, putting a sign in your yard or window, a bumper sticker on your car or a button on your lapel. Every time you contribute to the visibility of your candidate, you reinforce the impression that "lots of people seem to like this person, maybe I should, too".

        Everyone here should be doing some of those things. Plain old voting is what we want from the people we contact.

        "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

        by sidnora on Sat Sep 14, 2013 at 04:05:14 AM PDT

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