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  •  You know (15+ / 0-)

    I suppose the snark is funny. Do you have anything at all to say about Kissinger's blood-drenched role in southern Africa, Latin America, Iraq, Cambodia, East Timor?  Do you have a little bit of a sense of history to know why so many of us here call him a war criminal?

    I'm far more interventionist than most on this site.  I really despise Ba'athist dictatorships and have seen both of them up close. I'm no pacifist and might be convinced to support military action against the Assad regime. I think the Administration actually is trying to do the right thing.  And I think it is beyond appalling that Kerry would meet with Kissinger.

    But tell me... what do you think Henry Kissinger adds to the conversation?  What does he know and what expertise does he offer in a situation like this?  Why would a Sec of State meet with a man that educated people around the world, including our allies, consider a war criminal?  If you leave the US and talk to others who follow foreign affairs, even centrists and those on the right in Europe, people recognize Kissinger for what he was.  

    “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

    by ivorybill on Wed Sep 11, 2013 at 03:09:31 PM PDT

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    •  I like your tagline quote (8+ / 0-)

      Btw, Darwin was haunted his whole life by what he saw in regards to slavery in South America. Had nightmares. He wrote the above in his book on the voyage of the Beagle. He was responding to some recent comments from his mentor Charles Lyell that he thought minimized the evils of slavery. Stuck it in at the end of the book.

      The full quote is worth noting, for its inherent interest:

      It is often attempted to palliate slavery by comparing the state of slaves with our poorer countrymen: if the misery of our poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin; but how this bears on slavery, I cannot see; as well might the use of the thumb-screw be defended in one land, by showing that men in another land suffered from some dreadful disease. Those who look tenderly at the slave owner, and with a cold heart at the slave, never seem to put themselves into the position of the latter; what a cheerless prospect, with not even a hope of change! picture to yourself the chance, ever hanging over you, of your wife and your little children—those objects which nature urges even the slave to call his own—being torn from you and sold like beasts to the first bidder! And these deeds are done and palliated by men, who profess to love their neighbours as themselves, who believe in God, and pray that his Will be done on earth! It makes one’s blood boil, yet heart tremble, to think that we Englishmen and our American descendants, with their boastful cry of liberty, have been and are so guilty: but it is a consolation to reflect, that we at least have made a greater sacrifice, than ever made by any nation, to expiate our sin.

      War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

      by Valtin on Wed Sep 11, 2013 at 03:34:09 PM PDT

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      •  Darwin has a fascinating history (3+ / 0-)
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        With the anti-slavery movement in the UK. His grandfather and father were abolitionists (especially his grandfather, who was quite a character). He married into the Wedgewood family, who bankrolled the abolitionists and who pressed for the UK to interdict slave ships on the high seas. And Darwin's mentor, the man who first got him interested in natural history and away from studying for the clergy, was a black former slave in Glasgow, Scotland - who taught him how to stuff birds and filled the impressionable 18 year old with stories of the tropical forest. Darwin was against slavery before he boarded the Beagle. He remained so all his life.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Wed Sep 11, 2013 at 06:02:46 PM PDT

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