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  •  I doubt the (5+ / 0-)

    n***er-haters in the GZ Fan Club have a problem with woman-hating.

    In fact, I'd bet they're rather good at it.


    I'm not an athiest. How can you not believe in something that doesn't exist? That's way too convoluted for me. - A. Whitney Brown

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 10:59:24 AM PDT

    •  Hey, can you please NOT (5+ / 0-)
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      use that word so gratuitously? Even censored, it's really not necessary.

      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

      by raptavio on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:43:45 AM PDT

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      •  It's quite illustrative, actually (0+ / 0-)

        I'm certain those haters use that word with pride in their hatred. There's something to be said for a bit of shock value in describing the truly vile. Euphemisms only soften the true picture of their evil.

        "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

        by DarthMeow504 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:31:39 PM PDT

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        •  I would suggest, (3+ / 0-)
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          respectully, that dropping the N-bomb gratuitously is the lazy man's shortcut. Through shock value alone one hopes to paint a picture of said evil rather than with more erudite language. In so doing, one makes oneself, to whatever extent and for whatever duration, a reflection of the same evil.

          "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

          by raptavio on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 01:50:13 PM PDT

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          •  We SHOULD be holding a mirror to evil (0+ / 0-)

            This is what they say and what they believe. Why should we soften their hatred to make it more palatable? It shouldn't be easy to see, hear, or think about. It should provoke a visceral reaction in the gut. Because mere "erudite words" cannot adequately describe the crude filth these people make the center of their mentality. It needs to be exposed in all it's repulsive ugliness, without filter. Censoring the word is enough.

            We shouldn't stop calling them "n***r haters" until they stop being exactly that and identifying that way behind closed doors. They shouldn't be allowed to hide their true face, and we sure as all hell shouldn't help them do it by softening their language for them.

            "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

            by DarthMeow504 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 02:31:10 PM PDT

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            •  Holding a mirror to evil (1+ / 0-)
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              and becoming the mirror oneself are two very different thing.

              You know what you can say instead?

              Racists.

              "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

              by raptavio on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 02:39:11 PM PDT

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              •  I think it's important to be brutally honest (0+ / 0-)

                ...about what these people actually say and think, so that they don't escape responsibility for it. They won't say that word and their other vile hate speech in public, they watch their mouth until they think they're alone with others of their hateful ilk. Believe me, as a white man I can't count how many times people have tried to confide racist statements to me thinking I'll be their co-conspirator until I call them out on it. They use the word and worse, but seek to avoid consequences by keeping it on the down low. We need to pin that label to them like a scarlet letter where the whole world can see who they really are when they think no one is looking.

                Again, euphemisms to soften the vile things they say only benefits them.

                "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

                by DarthMeow504 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:53:23 PM PDT

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                •  and yet (1+ / 0-)
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                  in so doing, you're using the hate speech yourself. Don't you see why that can compound the problem?

                  "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                  by raptavio on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 05:58:02 AM PDT

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                  •  Hence the censorship of the word (0+ / 0-)

                    It becomes an accusation, a report on what they say. Censoring it sends the message that you won't use such bigoted slurs, but reminds or informs people of those who do.

                    I understand it is a very narrow line, and I can understand how others can disagree and see it differently. However, I do feel that pinning their filth to them is the proper strategy.

                    "Is there anybody listening? Is there anyone who sees what's going on? Read between the lines, criticize the words they're selling. Think for yourself, and feel the walls become sand beneath your feet." --Geoff Tate, Queensryche

                    by DarthMeow504 on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 09:33:38 PM PDT

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                    •  One can pin their filth to them (0+ / 0-)

                      without doing things that are in themselves offensive to the same people that are the targets of the filthy ones.

                      And, with respect, your justification thereof is crossing the line into whitesplaining.

                      "Much of movement conservatism is a con and the base is the marks." -- Chris Hayes

                      by raptavio on Sat Sep 14, 2013 at 06:51:20 AM PDT

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    •  I've always believed that those who discriminate.. (1+ / 0-)
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      ..based on anything other than individual action, is at the very least, a bigot, and probably a racist/misogynist. Of course, just my 45 years of life experience talking here, so....

       

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