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  •  Diary Title Should Actually Be: (3+ / 0-)
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    BigAlinWashSt, sidnora, BlueDragon

    How We (Temporarily) Stopped the Bombing of Syria.

    Our warships are still there.. in case the "diplomacy" thing doesn't quite work out.. and I think it's fair to assume it won't since Assad and Putin are demanding the threat of U.S. military force be removed as a condition to Assad handing over his chem weapons. that's not going to happen.

    The notion this is over is astonishing.. I think some here are desperate to hold on to baseless beliefs.. i.e. congress actually listens to us.

    "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

    by Superpole on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 03:47:22 PM PDT

    •  No-one said it was over (2+ / 0-)
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      Involuntary Exile, annecros

      Stopped for now, if you want.

      I stand by what I wrote. Obama didn't have the votes in Congress for war when he gave up. He could try to change that, but that's where it stood when he gave up, and there's no reason to believe it will be different in the future unless there is some dramatic change in the situation.

      As for this:

      "I think some here are desperate to hold on to baseless beliefs.. i.e. congress actually listens to us."

      I think you're projecting. The baseless belief here is that Congress doesn't ever listen. This was a spectacular example that at least sometimes it does. If you can't see that, then I think the charge of "dogma" is on you. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by that - some people are really committed to this view.

      •  it was/is not an example of Congress listening (2+ / 0-)
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        Bisbonian, Superpole

        people on the left, center and middle and their respective congressmen and senators happened to overwhelmingly agreed -- for entirely different reasons -- that we shouldn't go to war.

        i don't think the Congress listens to us 99% of the time.

        i don't think calling or not calling made a damn bit of difference this time.

        i am not arguing for calling or arguing against calling.  i just don't think it was key at this moment in time.

        you are attributing cause and effect in a situation in which we cannot be sure of cause and effect.

        •  re: cause and effect (0+ / 0-)

          Cause and effect is complicated in this case, as it is in any case where cause and effect are interesting.

          But here's a fact: public opinion was against the war. Engaged public opinion was even more against the war. This was reported in the press in terms of phone calls to Congressional offices, emails, participation in town meetings. The overwhelming public opposition clearly moved people who did not set out initially to oppose the war. Like Tammy Baldwin, for example. Google Tammy Baldwin and Syria.

          Then google "Syria whip list," and see what The Hill, ABC, the Washington Post, Huffington Post, were saying about the state of Congressional opposition when Obama pulled his war authorization request.

        •  Right, Some People Have it Backwards (0+ / 0-)

          Congress would have been against this attack regardless of public support or non support-- due to the fact congress appears to be tired of terminal war I the middle east with its enormous costs.

          They used the calls and emails from us indicating non support as back up for a decision many in congress had already made, and to justify their opposition to Obama's wishes.

          "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

          by Superpole on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 03:37:34 AM PDT

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      •  Congress Certainly Didn't Listen (0+ / 0-)

        during the run up to the invasion/occupation of Iraq in early 2003. we had some of the largest demonstrations against this war since the protests against the Vietnam war-- and we attacked Iraq regardless.

        and congress didn't listen in recent years when all of the major polling showed we wanted the Iraq war to end-- yet it continued.

        "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

        by Superpole on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 03:28:29 AM PDT

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