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  •  While I believe bullying should be punishable, (0+ / 0-)

    I am uncomfortable making others entirely responsible for the taking of one's own life. I don't think anybody else pulled that trigger, pushed you off the tower, etc. Is it horrible that these people pushed her mentally to her breaking point? Absolutely!! I am just not okay with making someone responsible for your actions. Where is that line that says you were one out of the 15 girls who pushed her over? Or was it them? Or the boy perhaps who didn't like her back? Kids will always say hurtful things. Hurtful words / murder and if they do, what words, at what duration, intensity, frequency? Words didn't kill this girl. She killed herself because of the words. If she had killed herself because somebody didn't love her back, say this boy, would he be responsible because he told her he didn't feel the same? It could be just as heartbreaking, but I don't think anyone here would say that the boy would be responsible.

    •  Wow, your compassion (1+ / 0-)
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      Is overwhelming.
      You obviously do not understand the toll the bullying takes on kids.
      And your point of a boy breakingnherbheart comparedbto years of bullying further shows you have missed the point of bullying all together.
      Just wow.

      Passing a law that the Constitution doesn't allow does not negate the Constitution, it negates the law that was passed. Secret courts can't make up secret laws. SORRY FOR THE TYPOS :)

      by snoopydawg on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 09:58:38 PM PDT

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      •  Ah, yes. I do understand bullying. My daughter (0+ / 0-)

        was bullied at her school via her cell phone by a caller who was stalking her and leaving disgusting v/m messages. We took it to the school when they called during school hours and they got the police involved and solved the problem. I am not saying I don't empathize, because I have been there as the parent of a scared teen girl. What I am saying is that I don't think other people should be held accountable for the suicide. The bullying yes, but not for something they did not do. They did the bullying, they didn't kill the person.

    •  You haven't been targeted by a mob yet because (0+ / 0-)

      really, this is mobbing which takes bullying to a whole new level of horror.

      She was being stalked. You do realize that. When people follow you around in the world, and online, with the sole intent of gathering information about you, in order to intimidate or disturb, or shame you--that's stalking.

      And if the authority figures in your life are unable or in the school's case, unwilling to make it stop, then that brings up the word hopelessness--as in, Welcome to your new life, hope you like being stalked, shamed, harassed, embarrassed, and humiliated every moment of every day, when people aren't beating the shit out of you or trying to.

      A few months of that and yea, even adults will kill themselves or try to. Or develop substance abuse problems, or other psychiatric conditions that lead to depression, anxiety and even PTSD.

      Doubt Me? This is the same sort of shit that we see in the military when women are harassed, stalked and worse by fellow service members.

      So yea, those kids and their parents and other adults who could have made a positive difference by making the little perps stop, ARE RESPONSIBLE.

      And sadly, some of them were probably bullied too, but the difference being, they turned their anger outward to a new target, instead of internalizing it.

      So as this is investigated and uncovered, like other situations, a chain of abuse will be revealed.

      Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

      by GreenMother on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 06:02:22 AM PDT

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      •  I didn't say that she wasn't bullied. I just don't (0+ / 0-)

        think someone else can be blamed for murder of a suicide. That's all. I also didn't say those who have done the bullying shouldn't be punished. I am saying that no one else should be held accountable for the person who did something to themselves.

        •  Well they can and should be. (0+ / 0-)

          What if that were your kid that killed herself--what would you think then?

          What if you saw what people were doing to her in school and on line and you realized that your child had been made psychologically fragile, and that these bullies piled on like idiots on an amusement park ride?

          YES--people can cause a person to kill themselves and there are times when those people should be confronted and held responsible.

          Otherwise--how will they learn that there are consequences for their actions--even if they make believe that they cannot see the trouble their bullying causes?

          How else will they learn to stop?

          How else will these idgets learn to appreciate just how powerful they are and that perhaps they need to embrace the art of gentleness?

          Do you want these kids to grow up, thinking truly that they did nothing wrong and that it's absolutely okay for them to keep on acting like that towards other people?

          Do you want to work for that person?

          Or better yet--a lot of us are pushing "OLD" here on the KOS--do you want one of those little turds running your assisted living home? Or as your head nurse or running some other important service that you rely on?

          Try and think far into the future and imagine what they will be like with NO intervention and no instruction and no consequences.

          Gentlemen, congratulations. You're everything we've come to expect from years of government training (Zed, MIB).

          by GreenMother on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 05:54:17 AM PDT

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