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  •  It's not a question of proof (6+ / 0-)

    It's a question of jurisdiction.  If schools should punish students for cyber-bullying, should they punish students for other online activity?

    •  I don't think you have to take it all in one (0+ / 0-)

      swallow.

      Bullying was difficult to prove, it's not any more.

      It really needs to be stopped.

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      by 88kathy on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 05:57:36 PM PDT

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      •  Not disputing that bullying needs to be stopped (1+ / 0-)
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        It's a question of whether a school's responsibility to stop bullying includes addressing bullying that occurs outside of school.

        To compare it to recent world news, chemical weapons are a bad thing, but that doesn't mean the US doesn't have the sole responsibility to stop chemical weapons wherever they are used.  If bullying and chemical weapons are bad, is stopping them all that matters, by any means necessary, or are there limits to what various authorities such as the school or the Obama administration can punish?

        I happen to think that curtailing cyber-bullying requires a level of intrusion on internet activity that some privacy advocates would have a problem with, but which I am willing to explore.

        •  If there is proof of bullying outside school, how (0+ / 0-)

          can in-school bullying be denied?

          You have proof on your computer that a gang is bullying you, how can they then deny they are doing the same thing at school?

          Well they just painted your locker with shit, but basically they aren't doing anything to you. Well, yes, and here's the proof.
          So schools can't weasel on the in-school crime because the out of school crimes leave such unmistakeable fingerprints.

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          by 88kathy on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 06:24:47 PM PDT

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          •  I don't think you are understanding my point (3+ / 0-)
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            Let's say that this gang of girls was appropriately punished for bullying (probably not, but let's say they were for the sake of this question).  The victim transfers to another school and has no physical contact with the bullies.

            The bullies continue their campaign online.  If they hadn't, perhaps the girl would still be alive.  Does the school, having (hypothetically) addressed the previous round of bullying, have a responsibility to punish these girls for their cyber-bullying?

            Let me stress again that this is a hypothetical case where the girls are attending separate schools and past behavior has been dealt with appropriately, but the bullies were not deterred from continuing their behavior online.

            •  You know, I don't know. All I can do is refer you (0+ / 0-)

              and anyone reading this thread to the Wired article. They have been at this since 1999. They have a stellar reputation.

              Maybe appropriate measures dealing with the case would have been to have a restraining order banning electronic contact. Electronic contact is just as invasive as physical contact. I know it is starting to be included in restraining orders for adults. I think it surely needs to be an option for children.

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              by 88kathy on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 11:07:14 AM PDT

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    •  If you have proof on on-line activity can (0+ / 0-)

      in-person bullying be plausibly denied?

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      by 88kathy on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 06:19:56 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, it can (1+ / 0-)
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        The article says that the school gave the girls separate schedules.  Was that enough?  Apparently not, but it is possible that these students were denied the opportunity for personal interaction.  Perhaps schools should be locked down so that students are always chaperoned and have zero chance for personal interaction without adult supervision.

        It also says that the cyber-bullying continued after the girl changed schools.  Whatever mistakes it may have made before that point, I'm not sure the school is responsible for anything that happened afterwards unless it involved using school computers.  Any in-person bullying would probably have had to occur elsewhere.

        •  See Wired Article. (0+ / 0-)
          WiredSafety has more resources and more experience than any other online group on the issue of cyberharassment, cyberstalking and cyberbullying (minor-to-minor). Visit our tutorials, take a class or two online with us, visit our help channel or refer your case to our WiredPatrol Internet Response Team for help form our specially-trained volunteers. The one thing you need to understand about cyberharassment is that you shouldn't have to live with it. here

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          by 88kathy on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 06:34:04 PM PDT

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