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  •  "Strong Circumstantial Case" (2+ / 0-)
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    From Foreign Policy magazine: U.N. Report Will Point to Assad Regime in Massive Chemical Attack

    U.N. inspectors have collected a "wealth" of evidence on the use of nerve agents that points to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad using chemical weapons against his own people, according to a senior Western official.

    The inspection team, which is expected on Monday to present U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon with a highly anticipated report on a suspected Aug. 21 nerve agent attack in the suburbs of Damascus, will not directly accuse the Syrian regime of gassing its own people, according to three U.N.-based diplomats familiar with the investigation. But it will provide a strong circumstantial case -- based on an examination of spent rocket casings, ammunition, and laboratory tests of soil, blood, and urine samples -- that points strongly in the direction of Syrian government culpability.

    "I know they have gotten very rich samples -- biomedical and environmental -- and they have interviewed victims, doctors and nurses," said the Western official. "It seems they are very happy with the wealth of evidence they got." The official, who declined to speak on the record because of the secrecy surrounding the U.N. investigation, could not identify the specific agents detected by the inspector team, but said, "You can conclude from the type of evidence the [identity of the] author."

    •  questionable reporting (4+ / 0-)
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      DeadHead, Orinoco, Duckmg, chuckvw

      just as the hrw conclusions have been shoddily reported. it's clear that assad's troops used the cw, but victims, doctors and nurses can't tell us anything about assad's role. the only evidence we have is the german intercepts.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 06:31:04 PM PDT

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      •  Command Responsibility Doctrine (1+ / 0-)
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        Even if you somehow buy that Assad didn't give the order directly, that doesn't absolve him of responsibility. Especially if there were multiple chemical attacks carried out by his troops

        Article 28 of the Rome Statute:

        A superior shall be criminally responsible for crimes... committed by subordinates under his or her effective authority and control, as a result of his or her failure to exercise control properly over such subordinates, where:

        • (i) The superior either knew, or consciously disregarded information which clearly indicated, that the subordinates were committing or about to commit such crimes;
        • (ii) The crimes concerned activities that were within the effective responsibility and control of the superior; and
        • (iii) The superior failed to take all necessary and reasonable measures within his or her power to prevent or repress their commission or to submit the matter to the competent authorities for investigation and prosecution.

        From Protocol 1 of the Geneva Conventions:

        The fact that a breach of the Conventions or of this Protocol was committed by a subordinate does not absolve his superiors from … responsibility … if they knew, or had information which should have enabled them to conclude in the circumstances at the time, that he was committing or about to commit such a breach and if they did not take all feasible measures within their power to prevent or repress the breach.
      •  It's really a moot point. (0+ / 0-)

        It's possible that Assad did not order the CW attacks.
        That doesn't mean they weren't done by some kind of prior strategic understanding that put a "trigger" in place so that Bashar wouldn't be implicated.

        At any rate, Assad has been butchering his own people by conventional means.
        And you're defending him.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 08:14:32 PM PDT

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        •  i know this is hard (3+ / 0-)
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          but trying to get to the facts, particularly when they are considered the casus belli for a possible war, isn't defending. and if his years of conventional butchery weren't considered heinous enough to warrant intervention, don't blame me.

          The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

          by Laurence Lewis on Thu Sep 12, 2013 at 11:45:07 PM PDT

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    •  Known facts: (5+ / 0-)
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      Laurence Lewis, tmay, Lepanto, Duckmg, Alhambra

      1. Saddam tried to purchase Yellowcake uranium from Africa

      2. Saddam has aluminum tubes that can only be used for nuclear centrifuges

      3. Saddam has mobile chemical weapons labs that were captured on satellite photo

      Oh, wait. All of those things were lies, too.

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