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  •  good point (2+ / 0-)
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    the Dems still control the state government and the law won't change, and next year is a very different story.  But give Frank Rose his symbolic victory, it's all he's got.  Along with endless spam and ignorant rants about how placing regulations on certain types of guns and ammo, and universal background checks, are depriving us of our "freedom".  
    I'd feel sorry for such pathetic people if they weren't constantly spamming these threads.  

    •  Citizens for a Safer Colorado - (No gun limits) (1+ / 0-)
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      Glen The Plumber

      Started a campaign initiative against the law. They have until November (?) to get the 86,105 signatures needed. I do not find the number of signatures obtained.  There are 55 sheriffs in Colorado signed as against these 2 laws.

      HB 1224 and HB 1229.

      But what is left out is that Colorado has Marshalls, and Police Departments, and Police Unions.  I'm thinking the support isn't there.

      I think the NRA found it easier to go after the people than to go after the law. They deal in fear and do not have the signatures to repeal the law. I don't know for sure but I think both campaigns started about the same time.

      And I would add I think that the initiative to repeal the law didn't make it. Now unlimited guns are crowing that they won. Well they did but only kind of.

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      by 88kathy on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 12:23:59 PM PDT

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    •  Losing 2 seats is neither 'symbolic' nor 'victory' (2+ / 0-)
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      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 01:49:23 PM PDT

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      •  Two laws passed is a victory. (3+ / 0-)
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        Let me know when they are repealed.

        You got to be all punishment and scarey. But where are the links to the signatures obtained by the 55 sheriffs and

        86,105 signatures needed. I do not find the number of signatures obtained.  There are 55 sheriffs in Colorado signed as against these 2 laws.

        HB 1224 and HB 1229.

        So crow about it. We know you are organized. But two districts is not Colorado. And two seats does nothing to repeal 2 laws.

        It's gun limits. And unlimited guns and unlimited gun ownership are on the way out.

        You have nothing to contribute to the GOTV conversation. So keep on crowing about your hollow victory.

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        by 88kathy on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 02:03:19 PM PDT

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        •  And what a victory it was. (0+ / 0-)

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 02:34:44 PM PDT

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          •  Yes was is because the laws are still on the books (2+ / 0-)
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            Let me know when the limits on guns and gun ownership are repealed because unlimited guns and gun ownership are so popular and stuff.

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            by 88kathy on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 02:44:52 PM PDT

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            •  And two Democrats lost their seats over it. (1+ / 0-)
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              You care more about gun control than you do about more & better Democrats.

              This is why gun controllers cost the party so dearly: election losses are worth it to them just so long as their pet issue is attended to; no matter the cost, no matter how ineffective.

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 02:57:39 PM PDT

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              •  It's not either or. Limits on Guns and limits gun (2+ / 0-)
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                on gun ownership is the future.

                If you could have repealed those laws you would have. But you couldn't and didn't.

                I don't have to support unlimited guns and unlimited gun ownership to get the tea party out of office.

                You sliced off a winnable section and won. Closely. The vote was suppressed. The ballots were changed at the last minute. And still you won by only a hair. In an off year election.

                Kessler and his ilk are not running the show.

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                by 88kathy on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 03:04:44 PM PDT

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                •  Yes. Actually it is. (0+ / 0-)

                  As demonstrated by you referring to Colorado as 'victory'.

                  If a district with more registered Dems & voted +19 for Obama is 'winnable', thanks to gun control then the party is fucked.
                  Not that you care: as you have proven, you care more about gun control than about the party.

                  Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                  by FrankRose on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 03:13:48 PM PDT

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                  •  You are avoiding the issue. You did succeed in (3+ / 0-)
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                    punishing and trying to make everyone fear the unlimited gun and unlimited ownership crowd.

                    But

                    you

                    did

                    not

                    repeal

                    the laws

                    limiting guns

                    HB 1224 and HB 1229.

                    Effective July 1, Colorado's new laws limit ammunition magazines to 15 rounds and require universal background checks on all gun purchases. Gun buyers, rather than sellers, must pay for their own background checks, a $10 fee.
                    If you could have repealed the law, you would have, but you couldn't and didn't.

                    We are talking GOTV here and you have nothing to contribute. Unlimited guns and unlimited gun ownership will not GOTV. Or you would have repealed the laws and recalled all the Democrats in the state.

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                    by 88kathy on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 03:21:02 PM PDT

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                    •  Your wording is inaccurate. (1+ / 0-)
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                      They haven't been repealed... yet.

                      Your hate-mail will be graded.

                      by PavePusher on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 04:48:32 PM PDT

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                    •  Who gives a shit? (0+ / 0-)

                      What difference does it make if the laws are repealed or not?
                      The party just got a humiliating beating for your precious unenforceable law.

                      Just more evidence that gun controllers couldn't care less about the party or violence.
                      For gun controllers it's just about getting 'them', taking 'their' liberties, for 'their' own good.

                      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                      by FrankRose on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 08:58:18 PM PDT

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                      •  Frankly my dear you are cussing. Guess there (3+ / 0-)
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                        are no 86,105 signatures on any re-call of the law.

                        You have 55 sheriffs on the wall. You have no marshals at all. You have no police chiefs. You have no police unions. And your 55 sheriffs can be sued for not enforcing the law.

                        You beat up two state representatives and soon everyone will know that's all you got. It wasn't easy or fun and you only won by cheating voters. If you didn't need to cheat you wouldn't have done it.

                        And still guns are not unlimited and gun ownership is not unlimited. Those days are over and everyone knows it.

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                        by 88kathy on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 10:59:38 PM PDT

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                        •  WTF (0+ / 0-)

                          Somehow 55 sheriffs publicly coming out against a law (a law that got two Senators repealed) is irrelevant because 'Marshalls'?
                          Whatever you say.
                          Sheriffs have to worry about elections......and as been proven gun control is problematic.

                          "cheating voters"
                          By letting them vote?

                          "guns are not unlimited"
                          Never was.

                          "Those days are over"
                          You mean the political carriers of Morse & Giron?
                          Yeah....I know.

                          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                          by FrankRose on Sat Sep 14, 2013 at 11:51:55 PM PDT

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                        •  Wow. Beautiful comment. (0+ / 0-)

                          "you are cussing"
                          No shit? Thanks for the fucking update.

                          "You have 55 sheriffs"
                          Yet, you somehow think that is a good thing because 'Marshall'?
                          If 55 sheriffs refused to uphold an abortion limiting law, would that be a good thing for Pro-choice, or a bad thing?
                          Way to not even realizing when you are losing.

                          "That's all you got"
                          1) It's not me. It's gun controllers.
                          2) They've got a lot more in store.
                          Thanks for helping them weaken the party.

                          "by cheating the voters"
                          By letting them vote? The election where 20%-30% of Democrats voted for the recall?

                          "Guns are still not unlimited"
                          They never were.

                          "Those days are over"
                          I'm neither Giron nor Morse.
                          Great job ensuring their demise.

                          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                          by FrankRose on Sun Sep 15, 2013 at 09:33:44 AM PDT

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    •  "...and the law won't change..." (0+ / 0-)

      Are you sure about that?

      IIRC, most people here were predicting the recall would fail....

      Is it possible that the recall sent enough of a message that the unpopular laws might get repealed, or perhaps put forward as a direct ballot proposition?

      Your hate-mail will be graded.

      by PavePusher on Fri Sep 13, 2013 at 04:46:35 PM PDT

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