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  •  Reducing traffic fatalities is one of our big (2+ / 0-)
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    public health successes in the 20th century. Wonder what could be achieved if we had $50-60 million invested annually in a Firearm Safety Administration.

    Another interesting clip from the link in Catte Nappe's comment.

    PT: About as many people in the United States are killed in auto accidents as by firearms. How does the amount of research and number of scientists in auto safety compare to firearm safety?

    GW: I believe that 2012 will turn out to be the first year in which the United States has more deaths from firearm violence than motor vehicles.

    An entire federal agency, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, has as its mission the understanding and prevention of death and injury on our roads and highways. It reports fiscal year 2012 funding of $62.4 million overall for research and analysis: $35.5 million for vehicle safety and $26.9 million for highway safety.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:05:49 PM PDT

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    •  The auto industry did not like that research (3+ / 0-)

      Relevant to the topic of guns.

      The auto industry did not like research into automobile injuries and deaths.  I'm guessing they never thought to use their clout in Washington to stop such research.

      One of the important findings to come out of studies of automobile injuries and deaths is the understanding that it is easier to design a safer product than it is to change the behavior of the product users.

      We knew that seat belts saved lives, but the public couldn't be convinced to use them regularly.  So first there were automatic belts that wrapped around the driver when the car door was closed, and then came air-bags.

      That same kind of thinking is now being put towards better gun design and gun safety features.

      "The fool doth think he is wise: the wise man knows himself to be a fool" - W. Shakespeare

      by Hugh Jim Bissell on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 01:18:52 PM PDT

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      •  Preventing accidents is good (4+ / 0-)

        and keeping guns away from kids with locks and so forth. But accidents are a relatively tiny percentage of the injuries and deaths. Reducing the prevalence of gun ownership is the main way to get the numbers to go down. How to do that is the big question but I would be for a combination approach that could include increased legal restrictions, legal moves against gun or ammunition manufacturers, and social marketing messages, similar to the approach taken with tobacco where all three have been used to get the smoking rate to go down.

        •  I'm not sure about this (3+ / 0-)
          Reducing the prevalence of gun ownership is the main way to get the numbers to go down.
          But I'm open to this:
          Reducing the prevalence of [private and public carry of guns by untrained, careless, and angry persons] is the main way to get the numbers to go down.

          One of the reasons I like the idea of licensing is that it minor infractions could incur points just like we have for driving. And there could be intervention long before someone gets shot. Intervention doesn't necessarily mean someone has to go to jail.

          E.g.
          Forget your gun is in your bag when you board an airplane? You get points for that.

          Your kid is playing with your gun and shoots through the wall. No injuries. You get points and 1 year loss of RKBA for that + you have to pass a remedial training program.

          You are doing something with your gun and you shoot yourself. Minor injuries. You get points and 3 year loss of RKBA for that + you have to pass a remedial training program.

          etc.

          I don't know  exactly what length of time would make sense for temporary loss of RBKA.

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 02:10:59 PM PDT

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          •  Well (2+ / 0-)
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            I say that based on several studies which have demonstrated that having a gun in the home makes you many times more likely to be the victim of homicide or suicide in the home. Having it around is, not surprisingly, a risk factor for being shot with it. If you don't have one in the house you are unlikely to get shot with it. (I thought of this again with the pellet gun shooting through a neighbor's window by a teenage boy near me last week. We don't have any guns, therefore my kids do not have the opportunity to accidentally or intentionally shoot anybody.)

            But, I agree with a stepped restrictions / licensing type system as part of the overall plan.

            •  Yes, your point is where a stepped intervention (3+ / 0-)

              system would lead.

              IMO, some careless people are too disorganized to own a gun. They create a menace with it everywhere they go. Some of them would not be sufficiently organized to do remedial training, etc.

              Temporary removal of RKBA such as I describe above, would (over time) get guns out of the homes and out of the hands of careless and negligent gun owners.

              I suspect alcohol is a big factor. We already know it's a big factor in violent crime of all kinds, and I'll be it's a big factor in what you cite above. People arguing, etc. alcohol erodes inhibitions and makes acting on impulse more deadly when there is a gun handy.

              "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

              by LilithGardener on Tue Sep 17, 2013 at 02:32:27 PM PDT

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