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    buddabelly, Joy of Fishes

    The Navy Yard shooter could have been sanctioned at least twice before; the first time he used a gun in anger and shot out someone's tires, and the second time, when he shot through his floor. A claim of "I was cleaning my gun" must be dismissed as the absurd lie it usually is. It's a gross failure of law enforcement/DA's office/juries that they accept such drivel in place of investigation and prosecution.

    The single most identifiable precursor to someone using a gun in a crime is if they have used a gun before and got away with it.
    Agree with your other points too. There needs to be a separation -it's the violence that matters most and non-violent felony convictions are often not predictive of violence.

    There needs to be an adjudication process to a) correct errors in the NICS system and b) to restore rights after "rehabilitation."

    I never understood why felons are stripped of voting rights. Their residence in a district is counted for some purposes but they are not allowed to vote on any issues that matter to them.

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 06:02:51 AM PDT

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    •  even if we accept the negligent discharge as just (1+ / 0-)
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      that, not accidental, imo there are 3 types of discharge, intentional, negligent and mechanical failure.  There's no excuse for # 2 but I don't see it as felony material.  Intentionally firing into the air? Yes, that should be disqualifying at least for a time and here it's a Felony with decent time and rights revocation.

      The shooting of the tires out is inexcusable period and should have resulted in jail time minimum and again rights revocation.  And the laws exist now to have done just that.  For some reason, this guy never actually faced consequences, he kept his clearance, he could still buy guns legally, that's a huge problem imo....

      And yes, until congress actually funds the rights restoration process, every additional restriction will be fought tooth and nail because there's no way out of the problem.  They admit the Terrorist watch list is full of false positives yet our party fought like hell to take a completely unreliable database and use it to restrict a civil right with no recourse.....That kind of stuff loses us elections and I'll say it yet again,


      Republicans in power cause way more damage and death than all the guns in the country combined do.......

      Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
      I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
      Emiliano Zapata

      by buddabelly on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 10:57:09 AM PDT

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      •  I'm sympathetic re your point about (1+ / 0-)
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        the Terrorist watch list, and the problem of no mechanism for appeal/correction of errors in the NICS. What do you (or the RKBA group) propose we do to advocate for correcting that problem?

        I disagree with the meme "Don't talk about guns, or we will pay at the polls" and think it is headed for the dustbin of American political history.

        The Navy Yard shooter is our new poster boy for some pretty large gaps in our laws.

        I favor a gun licensing scheme that would include "points" for minor infractions of gun laws, such as "forgetting" you have a loaded gun when you're boarding a plane or going into a courthouse, or any other place where guns are prohibited.

        That would take care of the occasional mistake with a simple fine. Repeated mistakes would face higher fines with eventual loss of RKBA and remedial training for restoration of rights.

        On language: I prefer unintentional rather than accidental, and think that all unintentional shootings should face significant sanctions, but not necessarily involve jail time.

        Licensing would allow for a graded sanction system that removes guns from the hands and homes or people who are too stupid, careless, or angry to possess and use them safely.

        "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

        by LilithGardener on Wed Sep 18, 2013 at 12:42:45 PM PDT

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